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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-02-15 12:54, André Pirard wrote
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-02-15 11:26, Johan C wrote :<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-02-15 03:22, André Pirard
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Hi,<br>
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FYI, in order to promote the OSM background <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/OpenLayers_Vector_fast.html?">I
have shown this map</a> to various organization, saying
that<br>
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<li>their POIs can be introduced in the OSM map itself</li>
<li>if a Web site maintains a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/Red_Cross/POIs.txt">simple
POI text file like this</a>, other sites can include
that POI list in their own map, mixed with their own
POIs (for example, map of blood donation centers
combined with public transport and car sharing to access
the centers)</li>
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<p>(1) raised absolutely no interest<br>
(2) interested one organization: three weeks later, they
had pirated the idea and made their own POI map based on
Google Maps (a big leap off their former PDF file ;-)).<br>
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<p>While roving about for this, I came across a site <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.click2map.com/">Click2map</a>.
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I asked them if they could support OSM and their reply was
the usual, most polite<br>
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<div>We currently only support Google Maps tiles.</div>
<div>We may in the future propose also OpenStreetMap
tiles.</div>
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But now, I wonder if those people could not be interested in
using OSM not only as tiles but also as the POI database
itself. I'm letting anyone versed in POIs to ponder over
this idea, and maybe design some scheme and present it to <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.click2map.com/">Click2map</a>
and possibly others.<br>
Having such POI providers affiliated with OSM would of
course be a definite plus for OSM.
<p>Cheers,<br>
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Hi André
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<div>it would be interesting to know from these providers a)
why they are not interested in cooperating with OSM and b)
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<div>Cheers, Johan</div>
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The best idea is to ask them and we would like to know the answer
too.<br>
One possibility is that they don't know what OSM is.<br>
<tt>That's true for 99.9% of the persons.<br>
Please note in the </tt><tt><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.click2map.com/" target="_blank">Click2map</a>'s
answer that they consider OSM as tiles, not as a database and
not as a database they can change.<br>
</tt><tt>And that's why cooperating with those who can spread the
idea is interesting.<br>
</tt><tt>Another possibility is reliability and security. Their
data could be mangled by anyone. If real vandalism hasn't
occurred in OSM yet, it's because of the 99.9%.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Hi,<br>
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I subsequently pushed the idea in a slightly different direction.<br>
Dreaming of a free service where people could ask OSM themselves to
make them a pretty POI, I made a few for puppet or other theaters,
art centers or various sympathetic people. And I was suggesting them
to put something like this on their site <a
href="http://papou.byethost9.com/tmp/Palogne.html">http://papou.byethost9.com/tmp/Palogne.html</a>,
if possible both versions, showing that OSM is often not worse than
GM, even sometimes not putting the marker at the wrong place and
letting cars through a foot bridge. I was showing a Nominatim
"theater at ..." search and mentioning a GPS trip to their premises.<br>
Despite sympathy, the reaction is generally no reply at all to the
e-mail.<br>
Misunderstanding or total lack of interest ("yet another map")?<br>
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But now I wonder if I shouldn't even be furious. Look at his:<br>
<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148204222">http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148204222</a><br>
<a href="http://be.geoview.info/ferme_renaville,148204222w">http://be.geoview.info/ferme_renaville,148204222w</a><br>
It's plain drawing the OSM data on Google maps !!!<br>
(What about doing the opposite?)<br>
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Although<small> This site based on the informations provided by
openstreetmap.org, from Min's on 2012-02-19T14:21:20Z.</small> <br>
is eye friendlier than this<small><small><small> This site based on
the informations provided by openstreetmap.org, from Min's on
2012-02-19T14:21:20Z. </small></small></small><br>
if one notices it and seems to be abiding by the ©, even in a
friendly manner with the author's name,<br>
I am upset that this is done on a <big><big><b>Google</b></big></big>
map, leading to commercial activity that, if you think of the 15% or
so of the price of your goods you pay for advertising, buying OSM
GPSes and the like, make you pay what you're giving for free. Much
like my POI map experiment and the guy putting it on GM.<br>
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Is the OSM license really careful enough?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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