<div dir="ltr">So we say the same: for actual trip planning you need a time table. But of course with the current OSM data you can see which bus you have to take, which is an important first step<div><br></div><div>regards</div>
<div><br></div><div>m</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Say you have an app like Opentripplanner, the time tables are available there, but where the bus passes geographically is contained in the OSM route relations. Whether this is important or not, is another matter. It isn' t so much for routing, but it is if you want to be able to draw a map like the one you can find in this article:<br>
<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Wouters" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Wouters</a><br><br></div>The bus routes are in pink, almost invisible as they are only of limited importance to the subject or the theme of the map. But on this page it is interesting to be able to see them, as I added descriptions about how to get to given points on the actual route:<br>
<br><a href="http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Ad%27s_Path" target="_blank">http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Ad%27s_Path</a><br><br></div>Cheers,<br><br>Jo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-21 9:17 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" target="_blank">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>></span>:<div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'll agree that the things mentioned in the picture are often micromapping. But on the other hand how does an international app knows all this when there is no OSM+ database that contains all this country specific information ?<div>
<br></div><div>I keep on wondering how useful the routes are for routing without timetables. An application that wants to give me the opportunity to plan my travel via public transportation needs this I think. It's of little use to tell me that I can arrive at my destination on a Sunday with bus X when that bus only passes there on weekdays.</div>
<div>But of course, this is a totally different problem/discussion.<br></div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>m</div></font></span></div><div>
<div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Jo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>All bus stops of De Lijn have timetable information, so I don't see why we'd map that explicitely. I think the same goes for TEC. Even the stops of TEC I can verify in Flanders have timetables.<br>
<br></div>Sometimes the name is present in big letters on the shelter. I don't see why we'd map that either. A €10000 pole with real time information does seem interesting to tag, although they don't work more than half the time...<br>
<br></div>Another tag that might make sense for a shelter is lit=yes. Some shelters, at least in Flanders, have solar panels on top and when it gets dark a small lamp can turn on when somebody moves around in the shelter. Still, even that is much detail with very little benefit, except maybe for those who are into statistics. If we'd ever manage to actually map all of those.<br>
<br></div><div>Anyway, I'm mostly interested in adding information to stops, so they can be identified for use in route relations and to indicate whether there are facilities for disabled people, but that is rather detail to be added to the highway=platform/public_transport=platform way.<br>
<br>tactile_paving and wheelchair.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br><br></div>Jo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-21 7:24 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" target="_blank">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>></span>:<div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Just to make it clear: the picture is not about tagging bus lines, it's about tagging bus stops. You refer to a page on the routes. <div>
Furthermore. it was not a question, I just found it a nice summary for what's in the wiki (probably somewhere under the public transport pages). Hence the smiley in the subject :-)<div>
There were a couple of tags that I had not heard of before (strip and the ones related to the time table and other information in the shelter). I doubt this information can be found in the Belgian (part of the) wiki. This does not always follows the evolution of the other communities.</div>
<div><br></div><div>regards</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>m<br><div><br></div></div></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:42 AM, André Pirard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com" target="_blank">A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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The answers to those questions about our conventions should be found
here, Marc<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Bus_and_tram_lines#Tagging" target="_blank">WikiProject
Belgium/Conventions/Bus and tram lines (tagging)</a><br>
so that anybody can tag without asking the same questions and
getting the same or different answers over and over again.<br>
I had to made modifications to those few lines for readability.<br>
But there was no answer when I tried to raise a discussion about
missing, essential infos.<br>
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Mainly, how must a route extension (optional detour) be represented
(unclear "(at least) two separate <tt style="background-color:#dde;white-space:pre-wrap" dir="ltr"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:type" title="Key:type" target="_blank">type</a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:type%3Droute" title="Tag:type=route" target="_blank">route</a></tt>
relations")? <br>
Must the detour (e.g. a small loop that some but not all buses
follow) be represented standing alone (A - B - D - E and B - C - D)
or must the whole route be repeated with and without the extension
(A - B - D - E and A - B - C - D - E)<br>
The problem is that let us say 3 extensions potentially make 8 whole
routes.<br>
Also, if the extension is at the end of the line (A - B - D - E [-
F]), is it OK to represent the route only once (A - B - C - D - E -
F)?<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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