<div dir="ltr">I've been trying to map destinations on primary roads as well. Therefore I asked the following question on the help forum a couple of weeks ago, but never got an answer:<div><br></div><div><p style="border:medium none;margin:0px 0px 13px;padding:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:18.200000762939453px;max-width:700px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">I want to tag the destinations on a sign like <a href="http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2014/20140810-Herentals/i-ZQhq2MT/A" style="color:rgb(48,96,168);text-decoration:none">http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2014/20140810-Herentals/i-ZQhq2MT/A</a> It is located <a href="http://osm.org/go/0Ep4vj5pV-?m=&relation=3894019" title="Here" style="color:rgb(48,96,168);text-decoration:none">here</a>. You see it on your right before a crossing with traffic_signals, while driving on a primary road.</p><p style="border:medium none;margin:0px 0px 13px;padding:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:18.200000762939453px;max-width:700px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">I know the wiki pages on <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination" style="color:rgb(48,96,168);text-decoration:none">destination</a>, the <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign" style="color:rgb(48,96,168);text-decoration:none">destination sign relation</a> and some proposed <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details" style="color:rgb(48,96,168);text-decoration:none">extensions</a>.</p><p style="border:medium none;margin:0px 0px 13px;padding:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:18.200000762939453px;max-width:700px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">However, I'm not sure about the best way to map the example sign. I see the following possibilities</p><ol style="list-style-position:outside;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:30px;padding-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:20px"><li style="border:medium none;margin:0px;padding:0px">as destination-tag on the way after the crossing</li><li style="border:medium none;margin:0px;padding:0px">as a destination relation</li><li style="border:medium none;margin:0px;padding:0px">as destination:lane on the way before the crossing</li></ol><p style="border:medium none;margin:0px 0px 13px;padding:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:18.200000762939453px;max-width:700px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">or a combination of the above ?</p><p style="border:medium none;margin:0px 0px 13px;padding:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:18.200000762939453px;max-width:700px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">In case of 1 - the destination tag, do I have to split the way after the intersection ? Or do I let it extend as far as the current way ?</p><p style="border:medium none;margin:0px 0px 13px;padding:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:18.200000762939453px;max-width:700px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">I do not consider the exit_to tag which is sometimes used in the USA.</p><p style="border:medium none;margin:0px 0px 13px;padding:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:18.200000762939453px;max-width:700px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif"><br></p><p style="border:medium none;margin:0px 0px 13px;padding:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:18.200000762939453px;max-width:700px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">What you might not see is that there is one lane for left turns, one for through and the right most lane is for through and right.</p><p style="border:medium none;margin:0px 0px 13px;padding:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:18.200000762939453px;max-width:700px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">Any thoughts on that ?</p></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Glenn Plas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:glenn@byte-consult.be" target="_blank">glenn@byte-consult.be</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Sander,<br>
<br>
I've been thinking about your statements. Although I think you are not<br>
incorrect stating it should be easy to enter, I think your requirements<br>
to not use josm at all for this (with or without plugins) are a bit to<br>
demanding.<br>
<br>
I'm a text console kind of person, all day long. I love the vi(m) editor<br>
but I'm not so inclined into xml-diving some OSM change files.<br>
Maybe I misunderstand this, but a good plugin in JOSM would probably<br>
help a lot in taking the edge of editing.<br>
<br>
There are other things that are hard to edit. Try the new speed_camera<br>
scheme for example: although I get what they are trying to do, it's<br>
complicated and for a camera that does 2 jobs (red light + speed trap)<br>
you have to add a single relation for each.<br>
<br>
Although this might signal a possible bad design, it doesn't make it a<br>
bad one by default. So, I'm not convinced on the 'clearly doing<br>
something wrong'. On the other hand, it's not a great design either.<br>
<br>
The only thing that I think is in the wrong place are the translations<br>
of a destination. (technically then). But I have to remind myself all<br>
the time it's not a relational database design I'm discussing.<br>
<br>
I do aggree on the subject that smaller roads are probably more<br>
important for all the reasons you state.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Glenn<br>
</font></span><span class=""><br>
<br>
<br>
On 11-09-14 10:23, Sander Deryckere wrote:<br>
> Marc, you are right that I don't like the tag because of missing tools.<br>
> But on the other hand, I think tags should be easy to edit, even without<br>
> tools. If adding the tags becomes harder than surveying, we're clearly<br>
> doing something wrong.<br>
<br>
</span>...<br>
<span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
> Since we have more small roads than motorways, the tags should be easy<br>
> enough for anyone to add. Without having to use JOSM with some extra<br>
> plugins.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Sander<br>
<br>
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