<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>You tags access tags say<br>* access:conditional = yes @ permit_holder<br>* mofa=yes<br></div><div>* bicycle = yes<br></div><div>* vehicle = no<br><br>Since a conditional restriction overrules only a non-conditional restriction of the same vehicle class and direction (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions#Evaluation_of_conflicting_restrictions">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions#Evaluation_of_conflicting_restrictions</a>), and since your tags don't contain any other info that talks about cars or tractors, this means that cars or tractors are never allowed. Even not when they have a permit.<br><br></div>Your tags will be read as following:<br></div>* Pedestrians: no specific tag, so the conditional access tag counts: they need a permit<br></div>* Bicycles: a specific tag, saying yes, so they are allowed<br></div>* Cars: a specific tag (vehicle), saying no, so they are never allowed<br><br></div>I don't think this is quite correct.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-12-07 11:56 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:glenn@byte-consult.be" target="_blank">glenn@byte-consult.be</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well, that was covered as well in my full copy/paste<br>
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access:conditional=yes @ permit_holder<br>
bicycle=yes<br>
description=Jaagpad<br>
highway=track<br>
mofa=yes<br>
source=survey<br>
surface=unpaved<br>
tracktype=grade2<br>
traffic_sign=BE:C3,BE:Type-IV<br>
vehicle=no<br>
website=<a href="http://www.wenz.be/nl/burger/Jaagpaden/" target="_blank">http://www.wenz.be/nl/burger/Jaagpaden/</a><br>
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</span>It's a one on one with what I see on that location:<br>
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> <a href="https://plus.google.com/photos/101291905535513785025/albums/6019150774027442577?banner=pwa" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/photos/101291905535513785025/albums/6019150774027442577?banner=pwa</a><br>
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It concerns the 'left' side looking at the Zenne.<br>
<br>
Still doubts? Let me know, I've thought about this one a lot and we had<br>
a discussion about this before and this is what I came up with after<br>
taking in consideration all the input I got back then on this list.<br>
<br>
Glenn<br>
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On 07-12-14 11:44, Sander Deryckere wrote:<br>
> But vehicle= is more specific than access=. This holds even for tags<br>
> extended with conditionals (else the bicycles would need a permit).<br>
><br>
> So, since a car is a vehicle, it would have not access at all.<br>
><br>
> 2014-12-07 11:12 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas <<a href="mailto:glenn@byte-consult.be">glenn@byte-consult.be</a><br>
</span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:glenn@byte-consult.be">glenn@byte-consult.be</a>>>:<br>
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> No, "Met vergunning", than the best choice is what I suggested and it's<br>
> legit OSM tagging:<br>
><br>
> access:conditional=yes @ permit_holder<br>
><br>
> It covers it all. Simple, elegant and readable. Permissive doesn't<br>
> cover it.<br>
><br>
> I haven't seen service=towpath being used on a jaagpad yet, but that<br>
> kind of makes sense as in the whole of OSM, this combination has been<br>
> used 0 times. Better not invent new tagging' schemes I believe.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/service#values" target="_blank">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/service#values</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Glenn<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 07-12-14 11:01, Jakka wrote:<br>
> >> highway=service<br>
> >> service=towpath<br>
> >> access=private<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > jaagpaden tekst vermeld met nadruk "met vergunning"<br>
> > acces= permissive<br>
> > nederlandse item keuze "Algemene toegang=met vergunning"<br>
> > of zou deze service=towpath te niet doen?<br>
> ><br>
> >> bicycle=yes<br>
> >> foot=yes<br>
> >> surface=asphatl/earth/<br>
> >> maxspeed=30<br>
> ><br>
> > Marc Gemis schreef op 7/12/2014 om 8:19:<br>
> >> This topic pops up from time to time, see e.g.<br>
> >><br>
> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2013-July/004376.html" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2013-July/004376.html</a><br>
> >> . Don't remember the outcome, besides that they are not cycleways<br>
> and do<br>
> >> not have names in general.<br>
> >><br>
> >> If I would start completely afresh I would propose:<br>
> >> highway=service<br>
> >> service=towpath<br>
> >> access=private<br>
> >> bicycle=yes<br>
> >> foot=yes<br>
> >> surface=asphatl/earth/<br>
> >> maxspeed=30<br>
> >><br>
> >> In some cases the access might be more "open", such as destination or<br>
> >> even "yes".<br>
> >><br>
> >> m<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Jakka<br>
> >> <<a href="mailto:vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com">vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com">vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com</a>><br>
</div></div><span class="">> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com">vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com">vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Hi,<br>
> >><br>
> >> "jachtpaden" near the "Leie" "Schelde" "Albert Kanaal"enz... are<br>
> >> tagged as "cycleway" but in serveye there is no sign<br>
> >> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/__wiki/NL:Cycleway" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/__wiki/NL:Cycleway</a><br>
> >> <<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Cycleway" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Cycleway</a>><br>
> >> <a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Fietspad" target="_blank">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Fietspad</a><br>
> >> <<a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fietspad" target="_blank">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fietspad</a>><br>
> >> And the owner of those ways says:<br>
> >> <a href="http://www.descheepvaart.be/__Rubriek/Recreatie/Jaagpaden.__aspx" target="_blank">http://www.descheepvaart.be/__Rubriek/Recreatie/Jaagpaden.__aspx</a><br>
> >> <<a href="http://www.descheepvaart.be/Rubriek/Recreatie/Jaagpaden.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.descheepvaart.be/Rubriek/Recreatie/Jaagpaden.aspx</a>><br>
> >> What would be the correct tag?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Jakka<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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