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The problem with the missing municipalities also exists in OSMAND
where some as Kortessem and Wellen are not listed although they are
in OSM.<br>
<br>
A solution for tagging boundaries can be checking for natural
boundaries = rivers, in different sources first. In Flanders those
rivers as natural boundaries are mostly good visible on the AGIV
air imagery. <br>
But what about a similar usable tool for Wallonie. I didn't hear
more about how to use a similar source as AGIV for Wallonie in JOSM
(?).<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Erik <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 23-12-14 om 18:14 schreef Marc
Gemis:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As you could see from the link in my previous post,
Mallien is mapped as a node.
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<div>Ligfietser wrote:</div>
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"<span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">The
OFM map looks at the administrative boundaries on OSM to
assign the streets to a place:</span></div>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Boundaries#Namur"
style="color:rgb(0,92,177);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki
… ries#Namur</a><br
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">
<span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">First
it looks in level 8 (municipality of Assese) and if available,
it looks deeper at a section (sub municipality) admin_level=9.
I dont know if this is the case in Maillen.</span><br
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">
<span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">If
there exists such a section of level 9, it must be entered in
OSM. If there is no section, streets could be tagged with </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in"
style="color:rgb(0,92,177);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">is_in</a><br
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">
<span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">If
those sections are not specified, the map cannot find a street
in Maillen so you must either enter Assesse or try another OSM
map (no guarantee it work either) or a commercial map."</span>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">So
in order to make OFM work, we need the boundaries for
Mallien as a relation. We do not have them in OSM at this
moment.</span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">Those
borders are hard to get. I don't know the situation for this
in Wallonia. In Flanders we have a lot of admin-level 9
boundaries (deelgemeenten), but even there the list is not
complete. Maybe Julien Fastré or André know more about this.</span></div>
<div><font color="#333333" face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:10.9090909957886px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">In
general, we have to base ourselves on out-of-date maps for
the borders. We are not allowed to copy them from Google
or other institutions that ask a lot of money for that
data. Sometimes governments open up a datasource with
those boundaries. This is not the case in Belgium. </span></font></div>
<div><font color="#333333" face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:10.9090909957886px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#333333" face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:10.9090909957886px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">Furthermore
most recent databases from the government do not care
about those "deelgemeenten", which makes it even harder to
get access to a source to use.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#333333" face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:10.9090909957886px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#333333" face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:10.9090909957886px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">regards</span></font></div>
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sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:10.9090909957886px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#333333" face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:10.9090909957886px;background-color:rgb(222,223,223)">m</span></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Alain
Bourgeois <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alain.bourgeois@skynet.be" target="_blank">alain.bourgeois@skynet.be</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB">I tried the Benelux map downloaded 6
months ago – same problem.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB">I reported the trouble on the forum (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=473300#p473300"
target="_blank">http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=473300#p473300</a>)
and they sent me to Belgian team.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bien
à vous,</span></p>
<span class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Alain
Bourgeois</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B32%20496%2051%2085%2075"
value="+32496518575" target="_blank">+32 496 51
85 75</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kineuro.com/" target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0563c1"
lang="EN-GB">http://www.kineuro.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> Marc Gemis [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" target="_blank">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> mardi 23 décembre 2014 17:37<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug
in OFM?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On
Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Alain
Bourgeois <</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alain.bourgeois@skynet.be"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">alain.bourgeois@skynet.be</span></a><span
lang="EN-GB">> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Maillen</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
The good news is that the village is in the
OSM-data [1].</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The bad
news is that we now have to find out why it
does not appear in the map you have
downloaded.</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Did you
try the the Benelux Full version [2] ? I
assume it is more detailed.</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Otherwise
you can always contact the maker of the map
via </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:info@openfietsmap.nl"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">info@openfietsmap.nl</span></a><span
lang="EN-GB"> He can explain which
information from OSM is available in the
different versions of his map.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">regards</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">m</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">[1] </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701&layers=N"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701&layers=N</span></a><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">[2] </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full</span></a><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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