<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7793"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7836">I just noticed this on <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7883" href="https://www.agiv.be/producten/grb">https://www.agiv.be/producten/grb</a> :' </span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7836"><a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7943" style="" class="" href="http://grb.agiv.be/geodiensten/raadpleegdiensten/geocache/tms/" target="_blank">Tile Map Services (TMS-diensten)
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Bevat 3 lagen: de GRB-basiskaart, de
orthofoto’s en een hybridelaag met een selectie van GRB-entiteiten voor
gebruik in combinatie met luchtopnames.' So a TMS already exists apparently... Or are these the 'older imagery from Agiv' Sander mentioned?<br></span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7940" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7836"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7939" style="" class=""></span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7941" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7836"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7939" style="" class="">Regards,</span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7942" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7836"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7939" style="" class=""></span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8048" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7836"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7939" style="" class="">StijnRR<br></span></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7839" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7838" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7837" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7845" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7840" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jo <winfixit@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Sander Deryckere <sanderd17@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 28, 2014 10:59 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7947" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv6842114137"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7951"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7950" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7949"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_7948">It's possible to have people sign an EULA. Would that help? I'd need to know what the restrictions are though. I thought we were just not supposed to copy their building outlines. I guess the parcel outlines are off limits as well, but I don't see those with the paramters I provided.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>I'd love to support iD as well, but why can't they program support for WMS? Why can't they be as flexible as possible? It's absurd that we'd have to setup a server to convert from WMS to TMS or have iD users use older imagery than the enlightened users of JOSM. It almost seems easier to try and peel people away from the 'dark side'.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Jo<br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8168" class="yiv6842114137gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8172" class="yiv6842114137gmail_quote">2014-12-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sanderd17@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sanderd17@gmail.com">sanderd17@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br clear="none"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv6842114137yqt7140351583" id="yiv6842114137yqt02790"><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8171" class="yiv6842114137gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8170" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8169"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8342">Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default layer set. It becomes too dangerous people will use it without reading about the limitations.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>But anyway, thanks for working on it.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8173">Otoh, supporting iD is also important. We can't say "Don't trace from Bing" if people can't use Agiv in iD. For that, we would need a TMS. So that either means setting up a map proxy to convert WMS from Agiv to TMS, or finding some TMS layer available (there are TMS layers for older imagery from Agiv, but I've found none for the most recent imagery). Then, it needs to be added to this repo: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index">https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8343">But I'm not experienced enough with imagery to accomplish this.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8174">Jo, are you, or is there anyone else wanting to look at this? I think it would save us a lot of problems.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Regards,<br clear="none">Sander<br clear="none"></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8175" class="yiv6842114137gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8186" class="yiv6842114137gmail_quote"><div><div class="yiv6842114137h5">2014-12-28 21:39 GMT+01:00 André Pirard <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com">A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8185" class="yiv6842114137gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8184"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8183" class="yiv6842114137h5">
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<div>On 2014-12-28 18:30, Jo wrote :<br clear="none">
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8177">This is long overdue, but I finally got round to it. I
added a page<br clear="none">
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<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Belgium">https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Belgium</a><br clear="none">
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with WMS sources for Belgium, for which we have permission
to use.<br clear="none">
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So now there are 3 more entries on this page:<br clear="none">
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<a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1420488230913_8176" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps">https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps</a><br clear="none">
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The resolutions are all better than Bing. They are also more
recent.<br clear="none">
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Is there somebody who knows a convenient way to add those
coordinates, so a shape is shown?<br clear="none">
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AGIV also has coverage for Brussels, The Walloon imagery also
covers the German speaking part of Belgium.<br clear="none">
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Well done, Jo. The only thing to do is now:<br clear="none">
JOSM>Imagery>Imagery Preferences[<img data-id="e8431854-1139-eeca-98b2-17afa035abab" alt="" src="http://www.iconpng.com/png/toolbar-icons0110/refresh.png" height="18" width="18">]>Available...>select
BE...>Activate<span><br clear="none">
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<div>I don't know much about projections, but EPSG:4326 seems to
work just fine for all three.<br clear="none">
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Projections are simple: a mathematical transformation of the Earth
surface to draw it on a plane (screen).<br clear="none">
EPSG:4326 uses the GPS coordinates (degrees) linearly (d ° NS/EW = c
cm vertically/horizontally).<br clear="none">
Cylindrical is the projection as if by light beams perpendicular to
the Earth axis.<br clear="none">
Mercator is the same but with a vertical correction so that the
polar regions are not flattened.<br clear="none">
These 3 are quickly transformed one to another with little CPU.<br clear="none">
Hence, JOSM, which normally uses Mercator on screen, can convert any
to its screen projection.<br clear="none">
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The (Belgian) cartographers use Lambert projections which is similar
to cylindrical, but on a cone that is tangent to a line going across
their country (Belgium). This is so that the proportions of the
distances are the same vertically and horizontally. The Belgian
servers serve them too. In addition to EPSG:4326. Except SPW (<span><span> ;-) </span></span>).<span><br clear="none">
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<div>Feel free to improve/extend that wiki page, if you can.<br clear="none">
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I would add Wallonia 2009. It is sometimes useful (e.g. to get rid
of trees).<br clear="none">
Is it just a matter of editing the file? Have to refresh the
server?<br clear="none">
Can id=SPW be the same or what should be used?<br clear="none">
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What is that (3.xxxxxx) after the name JOSM displays? Any way to get
rid of it?<br clear="none">
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Cheers
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