<div dir="ltr">Do we have car sharing traffic rules in Belgium?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-13 14:56 GMT+01:00 Jo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">2015-02-11 16:17 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sanderd17@gmail.com" target="_blank">sanderd17@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br></span><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>I tried it a bit, and I do have some concerns with both the mapping plugin and the style JOSM uses.<br><br></div>First, I think that a traffic sign should only have tags like <br><br></div>traffic_sign=BE:C21[7]<br><br></div>and no tags like<br><br></div>maxweight=7<br><br></div>Those legal implications of traffic signs should stay on way segments IMO.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Fully agree with you, atm you can get the effect you want by ticking or unchecking the tick box.<br><br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>Then I've always had problem with tagging variable speed limits (f.e. those dynamic zone-30 signs). When mapping signs, there should be a clear difference between the variable sign and the fixed sign, and that setting should also apply to the tags on the way segments.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>same here <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div><div>Since we're tagging directions on road pieces too, allowing direction signs (f.e. F29) should also be possible.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>It's a matter of adding it to the XML file. Not hard to do, but it hadn't been high on my priority list. The icons are already present in the plugin's image files. One of the reasons I hadn't added them yet (apart from lack of time), is that I'm concerned they will take up a lot of space, so the plugin should be changed and have tabs for categories of signs.<br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>Now, wrt the specific Belgian case, I've also seen a few mistakes, though not that many, since the plugin isn't very usable before solving the above.<br><br></div>C9 is translated to moped=no on the wiki, while it's mofa=no on the plugin. I know the difference is very fuzzy (and the relation to class A and B too), but we should at least use a uniform tagging.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>C9 seems to be meaningless if Class A or B are not mentioned. Changed to moped.<br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>C23 is translated to goods=no on the wiki, and hgv=no on the plugin, again, the difference is rather fuzzy.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div>added both <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>C24a and C24b are both tagged as hazmat=no on the plugin, again a difference with the wiki, and I'm not sure what the hazmat_ADR_tunnel sign is.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>conformed to the wiki, even though no information about access:explosives can be found there <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>Sign combinations (like C5+C7) also aren't available in the plugin.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Didn't readily know what to do with those. Added them now <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><br></div>No-stopping signs are missing from the plugin, and no-parking signs have no tags attached (parking:lanes:right=no would be the default tag I guess).<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Added, it's work in progress. I skipped the ones I didn't feel sure enough about. <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><br></div>The F1 sign (without buildings background) is deprecated and all need to be replaced against June 1st (see <a href="http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20141120_01386508" target="_blank">http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20141120_01386508</a> as example), I don't think the plugin will be production-ready against that time. So I don't think it's worth to include the sign (at least not with that graphic).<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Leaving it for the time being. Feel free to contribute a better graphic for F1a. <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div>F9 should be translated to motorroad=yes instead of motorway=yes<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>changed <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>The F17 sign contains some strange defaults (conditional access restrictions?)<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>copy pasted from wiki, I'll remove them. <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br><div>I didn't really check the validity of sub-signs, as I've often found sub-signs very confusing in real life.<br></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div><br>+1<br><br></div><div>Thanks!!!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Jo<br></div></font></span></div></div></div>
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