<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hallo Karel,<br><br>Dat is niet helemaal hetzelfde. Bij car sharing mag je bepaalde rijstroken gebruiken als je een passagier bij je hebt.<br><br></div>Autodelen zoals Cambio e.d. dat doen, is een vorm van 1 auto voor meerdere mensen die een soort abonnement hebben en dan onderling afspreken wie de wagen op welk moment ter beschikking heeft.<br><br>Misschien heb ik de Engelse term wel verkeerd. Ben wat vermoeid.<br><br></div>De data voor de plugin zit in een ticket van JOSM. Ik verwacht dat het er dan morgen wel bij zal zitten.<br><br></div><div>Ik heb gezorgd dat we nu ook zones voor parkeren, parkeerverbod en alle mogelijke beperkingen kunnen toevoegen. Verder alle gevaarsborden toegevoegd en de meest relevante 'informatie'-borden.<br><br>Aan wegwijzers ben ik nog niet toegekomen.<br><br></div><div>En dan natuurlijk Sander z'n opmerkingen verwerkt.<br><br></div><div>Wie zelf de laatste borden wil toevoegen, of Franse vertalingen, of verdere verbeteringen, be my guest:<br><br><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium/Road_signs_plugin">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium/Road_signs_plugin</a><br><br><a class="" href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42418402/RoadSignsBE/RoadSignsBE.zip"><span class=""></span>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42418402/RoadSignsBE/RoadSignsBE.zip</a><br>
<a class="" href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42418402/RoadSignsBE/roadsignpresetBE.xml"><span class=""></span>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42418402/RoadSignsBE/roadsignpresetBE.xml</a><br><br></div><div>De iconen zitten er al allemaal in, ze moeten enkel aan dat XML-bestand worden toegevoegd en dan zijn ze beschikbaar in de plugin. Wat tijd kost, is uitzoeken welke tags er dan van toepassing zijn.<br></div><div><br></div>mvg,<br><br>Jo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-13 18:46 GMT+01:00 Karel Adams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fa348739@skynet.be" target="_blank">fa348739@skynet.be</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Op zijn minst bestaan er gereserveerde parkeerplaatsen.<br>
Voorbeeld aan station Nekkerspoel (Ontvoeringsplein).<br>
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Those legal implications
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<div>Fully agree with you, atm you can get the effect
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Then I've always had problem
with tagging variable speed
limits (f.e. those dynamic
zone-30 signs). When mapping
signs, there should be a
clear difference between the
variable sign and the fixed
sign, and that setting
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directions on road pieces
too, allowing direction
signs (f.e. F29) should also
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<div>It's a matter of adding it to the XML file. Not
hard to do, but it hadn't been high on my priority
list. The icons are already present in the plugin's
image files. One of the reasons I hadn't added them
yet (apart from lack of time), is that I'm concerned
they will take up a lot of space, so the plugin
should be changed and have tabs for categories of
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Now, wrt the specific Belgian
case, I've also seen a few
mistakes, though not that many,
since the plugin isn't very
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C9 is translated to moped=no on
the wiki, while it's mofa=no on
the plugin. I know the difference
is very fuzzy (and the relation to
class A and B too), but we should
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C24a and C24b are both tagged as
hazmat=no on the plugin, again a
difference with the wiki, and I'm not
sure what the hazmat_ADR_tunnel sign
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<div>conformed to the wiki, even though no information
about access:explosives can be found there <br>
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Sign combinations (like C5+C7) also
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<div>Didn't readily know what to do with those. Added
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No-stopping signs are missing from the
plugin, and no-parking signs have no tags
attached (parking:lanes:right=no would be
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<div>Added, it's work in progress. I skipped the ones
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The F1 sign (without buildings background)
is deprecated and all need to be replaced
against June 1st (see <a href="http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20141120_01386508" target="_blank">http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20141120_01386508</a>
as example), I don't think the plugin will
be production-ready against that time. So I
don't think it's worth to include the sign
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<div>Leaving it for the time being. Feel free to
contribute a better graphic for F1a. <br>
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F9 should be translated to motorroad=yes
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The F17 sign contains some strange defaults
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<div>copy pasted from wiki, I'll remove them. <br>
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<div>I didn't really check the validity of
sub-signs, as I've often found sub-signs
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