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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-02-13 18:46, Karel Adams wrote
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-02-15 17:03, Jo wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Do we have car sharing traffic rules in Belgium?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Op zijn minst bestaan er gereserveerde
parkeerplaatsen.<br>
Voorbeeld aan station Nekkerspoel (Ontvoeringsplein).<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.google.be/maps/@51.029946,4.489369,3a,30y,106.71h,86.96t/data=%213m4%211e1%213m2%211sJ2aKjl84Hyve3lEwG3UrVA%212e0?hl=nl">https://www.google.be/maps/@51.029946,4.489369,3a,30y,106.71h,86.96t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJ2aKjl84Hyve3lEwG3UrVA!2e0?hl=nl</a><br>
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Nos avans chal on sistime <a
href="https://www.google.be/maps/@50.536283,5.633851,3a,16.7y,294.12h,85.45t/data=%213m4%211e1%213m2%211s5PcVTon_HQPl6juVAUdvJw%212e0?hl=en">wice
qui dès dgins avou ine carte polèt apicî ine vwètûre</a> qui passe<br>
èt qu'a ine carte avou, més dj' n' a måy polou trover <a
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1666772596">dès fwért
djusses tags</a> po mète çoula so OSM.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-13 14:56 GMT+01:00 Jo <span
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16:17 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>I tried
it a bit, and
I do have some
concerns with
both the
mapping plugin
and the style
JOSM uses.<br>
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First, I think
that a traffic
sign should
only have tags
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traffic_sign=BE:C21[7]<br>
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and no tags like<br>
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maxweight=7<br>
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Those legal
implications of
traffic signs should
stay on way segments
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<div>Fully agree with you, atm you can get the
effect you want by ticking or unchecking the tick
box.<br>
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Then I've always had
problem with tagging
variable speed limits
(f.e. those dynamic
zone-30 signs). When
mapping signs, there
should be a clear
difference between the
variable sign and the
fixed sign, and that
setting should also apply
to the tags on the way
segments.<br>
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<div>Since we're tagging
directions on road pieces
too, allowing direction
signs (f.e. F29) should
also be possible.<br>
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<div>It's a matter of adding it to the XML file. Not
hard to do, but it hadn't been high on my priority
list. The icons are already present in the
plugin's image files. One of the reasons I hadn't
added them yet (apart from lack of time), is that
I'm concerned they will take up a lot of space, so
the plugin should be changed and have tabs for
categories of signs.<br>
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Now, wrt the specific Belgian
case, I've also seen a few
mistakes, though not that
many, since the plugin isn't
very usable before solving the
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C9 is translated to moped=no on
the wiki, while it's mofa=no on
the plugin. I know the
difference is very fuzzy (and
the relation to class A and B
too), but we should at least use
a uniform tagging.<br>
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<div>C9 seems to be meaningless if Class A or B are
not mentioned. Changed to moped.<br>
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C23 is translated to goods=no on
the wiki, and hgv=no on the
plugin, again, the difference is
rather fuzzy.<br>
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C24a and C24b are both tagged as
hazmat=no on the plugin, again a
difference with the wiki, and I'm
not sure what the hazmat_ADR_tunnel
sign is.<br>
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<div>conformed to the wiki, even though no
information about access:explosives can be found
there <br>
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Sign combinations (like C5+C7) also
aren't available in the plugin.<br>
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<div>Didn't readily know what to do with those.
Added them now <br>
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No-stopping signs are missing from the
plugin, and no-parking signs have no
tags attached (parking:lanes:right=no
would be the default tag I guess).<br>
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<div>Added, it's work in progress. I skipped the
ones I didn't feel sure enough about. <br>
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The F1 sign (without buildings background)
is deprecated and all need to be replaced
against June 1st (see <a
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href="http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20141120_01386508"
target="_blank">http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20141120_01386508</a>
as example), I don't think the plugin will
be production-ready against that time. So
I don't think it's worth to include the
sign (at least not with that graphic).<br>
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<div>Leaving it for the time being. Feel free to
contribute a better graphic for F1a. <br>
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F9 should be translated to motorroad=yes
instead of motorway=yes<br>
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The F17 sign contains some strange defaults
(conditional access restrictions?)<br>
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<div>copy pasted from wiki, I'll remove them. <br>
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<div>I didn't really check the validity of
sub-signs, as I've often found sub-signs
very confusing in real life.<br>
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<div>Thanks!!!<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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