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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-02-22 23:13, Alain Bourgeois
wrote :<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Maillen and Assesse are not the only bug.</span></p>
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With Osmand, I find Maillen e.g. Place du Bâti and OSM finds "Place
du Bâti Maillen" but that's <b>near</b> Maillen which is a village,
that result is in Assesse which is a city. OSM also finds "Place du
Bâti Assesse", of course.<br>
Osmand also finds Assesse if you tap "villages" (OSM calls it a
city, not even a town, ahem).<br>
<br>
Kortessem and Wellen are in Osmand all-right, but, again, you have
to tap on "villages" when the list gets short.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">We found other ones (event bigger).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">e.g. try to find Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer in
7110 Strépy-Braquegnies. You will not find it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">To locate it you have to search on … </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rue
<b>JB</b> Monoyer, in <b>7100</b> <b>La Louvière</b>.</span></p>
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In order to find "<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer" it should be </span>called
"Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer" and not "Rue JB Monoyer".<br>
I have corrected that bug.<br>
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><br>
Strépy-Braquegnies </span>is not a boundary but a Residential
Area (a landuse). You can't use one in an OSM search.<br>
You could if it were a (non-administrative) boundary, and even not,
found in a subarea and Nominatim supported that, but that's another
discussion.<br>
<br>
There is no need to include "Jean-Baptiste" in the query.<br>
Your street is located (nested) in Pont Balasse, La Louvière,
Soignies, Hainaut, Wallonia, 7100;7110, Belgium<br>
So, any of these queries returns your answer: "Monoyer Pont
Balasse", "Monoyer La Louvière", "Monoyer Soignies", "Monoyer
Hainaut", "Monoyer Wallonia", "Monoyer Belgium" or "Monoyer".<br>
<br>
I'm not sure what the post code is or can be used for unless you are
a letter.<br>
<br>
Except for JB, I don't find a bug, less "other ones", less "event
bigger".<br>
<br>
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<td>André.</td>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">I thought it was due to postal code, but
sometimes streets are associated to wrong postal code!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bien
à vous,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alain
Bourgeois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">+32
496 51 85 75<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.kineuro.com/"><span
style="color:#0563C1">http://www.kineuro.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> Erik Beerten [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ebe050@gmail.com">mailto:ebe050@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> jeudi 25 décembre 2014 19:25<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in
OFM?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The problem
with the missing municipalities also exists in OSMAND where
some as Kortessem and Wellen are not listed although they are
in OSM.<br>
<br>
A solution for tagging boundaries can be checking for natural
boundaries = rivers, in different sources first. In Flanders
those rivers as natural boundaries are mostly good visible on
the AGIV air imagery. <br>
But what about a similar usable tool for Wallonie. I didn't
hear more about how to use a similar source as AGIV for
Wallonie in JOSM (?).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Erik <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Op 23-12-14 om 18:14 schreef Marc Gemis:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As you could see from the link in my
previous post, Mallien is mapped as a node. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ligfietser wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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"<span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:#DEDFDF">The
OFM map looks at the administrative boundaries on OSM
to assign the streets to a place:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Boundaries#Namur"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#005CB1;background:#DEDFDF">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki
… ries#Namur</span></a><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333"><br>
<span style="background:#DEDFDF">First it looks in level
8 (municipality of Assese) and if available, it looks
deeper at a section (sub municipality) admin_level=9.
I dont know if this is the case in Maillen.</span><br>
<span style="background:#DEDFDF">If there exists such a
section of level 9, it must be entered in OSM. If
there is no section, streets could be tagged with </span></span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#005CB1;background:#DEDFDF">is_in</span></a><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333"><br>
<span style="background:#DEDFDF">If those sections are
not specified, the map cannot find a street in Maillen
so you must either enter Assesse or try another OSM
map (no guarantee it work either) or a commercial
map."</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:#DEDFDF">So
in order to make OFM work, we need the boundaries for
Mallien as a relation. We do not have them in OSM at
this moment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:#DEDFDF">Those
borders are hard to get. I don't know the situation
for this in Wallonia. In Flanders we have a lot of
admin-level 9 boundaries (deelgemeenten), but even
there the list is not complete. Maybe Julien Fastré or
André know more about this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:#DEDFDF">In
general, we have to base ourselves on out-of-date maps
for the borders. We are not allowed to copy them from
Google or other institutions that ask a lot of money
for that data. Sometimes governments open up a
datasource with those boundaries. This is not the case
in Belgium. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:#DEDFDF">Furthermore
most recent databases from the government do not care
about those "deelgemeenten", which makes it even
harder to get access to a source to use.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:#DEDFDF">regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:#DEDFDF">m</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:01 PM,
Alain Bourgeois <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alain.bourgeois@skynet.be"
target="_blank">alain.bourgeois@skynet.be</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">I tried the Benelux map downloaded
6 months ago – same problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">I reported the trouble on the forum
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=473300#p473300"
target="_blank">http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=473300#p473300</a>)
and they sent me to Belgian team.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bien
à vous,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alain
Bourgeois</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B32%20496%2051%2085%2075"
target="_blank">+32 496 51 85 75</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kineuro.com/" target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0563C1"
lang="EN-GB">http://www.kineuro.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> Marc Gemis [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com"
target="_blank">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> mardi 23 décembre 2014 17:37<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names -
bug in OFM?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at
5:24 PM, Alain Bourgeois <</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alain.bourgeois@skynet.be"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">alain.bourgeois@skynet.be</span></a><span
lang="EN-GB">> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Maillen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"><br>
The good news is that the village is in
the OSM-data [1].</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">The bad news is that we now
have to find out why it does not appear
in the map you have downloaded.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Did you try the the Benelux
Full version [2] ? I assume it is more
detailed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Otherwise you can always
contact the maker of the map via </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:info@openfietsmap.nl"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">info@openfietsmap.nl</span></a><span
lang="EN-GB"> He can explain which
information from OSM is available in the
different versions of his map.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">m</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">[1] </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701&layers=N"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701&layers=N</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">[2] </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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