<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>I'm a newbie, and I want to make a change in Brussels (say a new street was created). I look at the other names, and see they have a name:nl, name:fr and name tag, the name tag contains both names separated by a dash. So I add my street using that principle.<br><br></div>Do you really think newbies would look if it's a hyphen, en dash or em dash? <br><br></div>So I think, if we choose a default, we should stick to the keys on the local keyboard (Belgian AZERTY), and preferably on the more international keyboard layouts (like USA International - that's the default USA QWERTY with a big number of alternative keys added to support multiple languages).<br><br></div>The other option is we don't choose a default, and accept multiple ones, like spaced hyphens, spaced en dashes, spaced or non-spaced em dashes, ... But I agree that it would be nice to have a guideline at least. And in that case, my vote goes to the spaced hyphen as in "name - name". <br><br></div><div>But this is in fact for the Brussels community to decide. I don't go to Brussels a lot, so I can't do many valuable contributions there.<br><br>Regards,<br></div></div>Sander<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-02 15:09 GMT+01:00 Jo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>In the name itself, there are no spaces around the -. So the separator between to languages is really " - " including the spaces.<br><br></div>We do have a problem for a very few streets which have 2 names because they are on the border between two municipalities and which we want to give 2 names to be "linguistically correct", but there aren't very many of those.<br><br></div>Using an em-dash is fine with me, as long as it can be done as a mechanical edit, as I can't type them indeed and I'm not going to copy/paste them one by one.<br><br></div>Jo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">2015-03-02 14:55 GMT+01:00 André Pirard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com" target="_blank">A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
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<div>On 2015-03-01 17:13, Frédéric Rodrigo
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bellow. <br>
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Walloon cock-a-doodle-do <span><span> ;-) </span></span><br>
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Bonjour, <br>
<br>
J'ai ajouté une analyse spécifique aux zones multilingues dans
Osmose. Elle n'est pour l'instant active que sur le Maroc et pour
la région de Bruxelles. <br>
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Pour Bruxelles l'analyse s'attend à retrouver les tags name,
name:fr et name:nl avec "[name]" = "[name:fr] - [name:nl]" ou
"[name]" = "[name:fr] - [name:nl]". Elle détecte des manques et
des incohérences et propose des corrections. <br>
<br>
Si vous relevé des problèmes produit par cette analyses n'hésitez
pas à me les remonter. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Sur
la carte : <br>
<a href="http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=12&lat=35.7667&lon=-5.8256&item=5060&level=1%2C2%2C3" target="_blank">http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=12&lat=35.7667&lon=-5.8256&item=5060&level=1%2C2%2C3</a>
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Et la liste des erreurs : <br>
<a href="http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?country=belgium_brussels_capital_region&item=5060" target="_blank">http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?country=belgium_brussels_capital_region&item=5060</a>
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Hi, <br>
<br>
I added a specific analysis on multilingual areas on Osmose QA. It
is currently only active on Morocco and for the Brussels region. <br>
<br>
Brussels analysis attempts to retrieve the tags name, name:fr and
name:nl with "[name]" = "[name:fr] - [name:nl]" or "[name]" =
"[name:fr] - [name:nl]". It detects missing and inconsistencies
and show possible corrections. <br>
<br>
If you see any problems with this analyzes do not hesitate to let
me know. <br>
<br>
On the map: <br>
<a href="http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=12&lat=35.7667&lon=-5.8256&item=5060&level=1%2C2%2C3" target="_blank">http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=12&lat=35.7667&lon=-5.8256&item=5060&level=1%2C2%2C3</a>
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And the errors list: <br>
<a href="http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?country=belgium_brussels_capital_region&item=5060" target="_blank">http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?country=belgium_brussels_capital_region&item=5060</a>
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<br>
Frédéric. <br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
There is an issue with names containing dashes being separated with
dashes (<span>Saint-Josse-ten-Noode - Sint-Joost-ten-Node). That
is as syntactically incorrect as separating with "," or ";"
strings containing those characters. Verdy_p solved that issue
elegantly by using em dash instead </span>(<span>Saint-Josse-ten-Noode
— Sint-Joost-ten-Node)</span><span>.<br>
I don't understand why some people developed hatred for the em
dash, maybe because Windows' keyboard is short of easily typing
even one's own language characters (like œ, my Ubuntu makes them
<compose>oe and <compose>---), maybe because it's
mixed with other considerations, but the fact is that </span><span>Frederik
Ramm from the DWG is vandalizing Verdy_p's work all over the world
(no less) by reverting his updates regardless of what they're
doing, maybe introducing an em dash together with making
corrections. Yes, dames en heren, the DWG is introducing mistakes
in OSM (no less).<br>
I respect people hating em dash, but they should open a vote for
another character then.<br>
</span>I already discussed this issue on this list, mais ... les
paroles s'envolent.<br>
Or maybe OSM is fuzzy, and no that does no make me feel good.<br>
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Cheers
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