<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hey guys, as a OpenStreetMap admirer and community manager by heart I want to say this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>As somebody who is also completely dependent on project financing and subsidizing: Aside from questioning their ethics we need to consider their motivational grounds for not using OSM at this point. From a practical perspective, using OSM is a no brainer. From a project perspective OSM could ruin their financial non-profit model. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just watch the website and see that they have multiple commercial sponsors, they probably have had some subsidies as well to make this project happen. I’ve heard on news stories that they need to have a deliverable (an app) by April. That means they have clear goals and deliverables they promised and need to deliver to one or more partners. Maybe they even promised a sustainable business model after the release (eg. selling the app). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is a lot of pressure for a young organisation like themselves and if then some organisation comes round and says: Hey, we have been doing the same thing, for free, with no sponsors, but more volunteers than you can even imagine. That’s not what they need to hear. Granted that, they should have done their homework, and should know about <a href="http://wheelmap.org" class="">wheelmap.org</a> and OpenStreetMap Belgium in the first place. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So before we start taking out the pitchforks and scream 'stop monetising crowdsourcing', let’s us approach them in an inviting way. See if we can help them in any way and see what their endgame is. Maybe we’ll not be able to help them in short term, but we’ll have a friend organisation and new ambassadors in the long run. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just me two cents…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class="">Pieter-Jan</div><div class=""><div class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Mar 2015, at 15:19, Ben Abelshausen <<a href="mailto:ben.abelshausen@gmail.com" class="">ben.abelshausen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Marc Gemis <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">I assume everybody here knows that there is also an app based on osm : <a href="http://wheelmap.org/" target="_blank" class="">http://wheelmap.org/</a><div class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class="">Yes, I even tweeted it to them already. I hope they can cooperate with us and let's hope focus is not on monetizing their crowd-sourced data. This would be ethically very questionable in my view, especially when the topic of accesibility is concerned.<br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="">Met vriendelijke groeten,<br class="">Best regards,<br class=""><br class="">Ben Abelshausen</div></div></div>
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