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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Vraag: Bpost biedt een gratis tool aan,
      maar beperkt het tot 20 opdrachten, waarschijnlijk om
      automatisatie te vermijden.<br>
      Als ik in de perken blijf mag ik dat dus gebruiken, ze hebben er
      belang bij dat de zonenummers kloppen.<br>
      <br>
      Voorbeeld/<br>
      In Beringen, 3580 en 3582 loopt de zonegrens door de
      Piepeleerstraat. Met de tool van Sander  krijgt men 3 huizen een 
      kant van de straat onder de 3582 en ik zie tijdens het mappen dat
      er tal van huizen aan de andere kant van de straat staan. Ik
      controleer met Bpost een van die 3 huizen en die geeft 3580 aan,
      wat ik vermoede. Bpost gaat toch niet sorteren naargelang het
      huisnummer.<br>
      Wat zijn de mogelijkheden ?<br>
      - De grens die Sander gebruikte is fout ( men heeft die toch ook
      ergens anders gaan halen, mocht dat ?)<br>
      - ik zet een FIXME<br>
      - ik zet geen zonenummer<br>
      - ik pak de fiets en ga aan de inwoners vragen wat hun zonenummer
      is ;-)<br>
      - Ik verbeter de fout, doe rustig verder en wie gaat er hier naar
      kraaien ?<br>
      <br>
      Groetjes<br>
      <br>
      Sus<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Le 19/03/15 10:49, Sander Deryckere a écrit :<br>
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cite="mid:CABUOUO-5qy642Pvv_uHwoYdvBJRmPtpS+W7=WDZb69QeE6MOsw@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div>Kopiëren mag niet, controleren wel.<br>
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        Nu, als je een verschil ontdekt, waar ligt de grens tussen
        kopiëren en controleren? De grens ligt volgens mij bij de
        hoeveelheid werk je in je onderzoek stopt. Als je na de
        ontdekking van het verschil gewoon de versie van bPost
        overneemt, dan is dat kopiëren. Als je daarentegen een fout
        rapporteert aan de gemeente, en het onderzoek van de gemeente
        afwacht, dan ben je bezig met controleren, en dat mag wel.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Op 19 maart 2015 10:30 schreef Marc
          Gemis <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com" target="_blank">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr"><span class="">"<span
                  style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,'Nimbus
                  Sans L',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px">gebruik
                  voor commerciële doeleinden van het geheel of een deel
                  van deze website is verboden"</span>
                <div><span
                    style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,'Nimbus
                    Sans L',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px"><br>
                  </span></div>
              </span>
              <div><span
                  style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,'Nimbus
                  Sans L',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px">IMHO
                  is de data een deel van de website. Je kopieert dit
                  naar een databank die voor commerciële doeleinden kan
                  gebruikt worden.</span></div>
              <div><span
                  style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,'Nimbus
                  Sans L',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px">Gelukkig
                  leven we niet in Canada, waar iemand die postcodes
                  verzamelt via crowd-sourcing en via open source
                  beschikbaar stelt, een oproep voor de rechtbank heeft
                  gekregen van de Canadese Post.</span></div>
              <div><span
                  style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,'Nimbus
                  Sans L',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px">Hier
                  gaat er  hopelijk geen haan naar kraaien.</span></div>
              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                  <div><span
                      style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,'Nimbus
                      Sans
                      L',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px"><br>
                    </span></div>
                  <div><span
                      style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,'Nimbus
                      Sans
                      L',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px">m.</span></div>
                </font></span></div>
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              <div class="h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-19 10:14 GMT+01:00
                    Verhoeven Fr <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:susvhv@gmail.com" target="_blank">susvhv@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                        <div>Dit is toch een dienst die gratis wordt
                          aangeboden<br>
                          <br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.bpost.be/site/nl/residential/customerservice/search/address.html"
                            target="_blank">http://www.bpost.be/site/nl/residential/customerservice/search/address.html</a><br>
                          <br>
                          De enige beperking is maximum 20 raadplegingen
                          per dag.  Of ik het resultaat gebruik om OSM
                          te valideren of om op een omslag te zetten,
                          daar zie ik het verschil niet in.<br>
                          Ik gebruik geen enkel deel van hun lay-out.<br>
                          <br>
                          Groetjes <br>
                          <br>
                          Sus<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          Le 17/03/15 17:51, Marc Gemis a écrit :<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">Je mag feitelijk de
                                gegevens van de bpost website niet
                                gebruiken:
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                                </div>
                                <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://www.bpost.be/site/nl/disclaimer.html"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.bpost.be/site/nl/disclaimer.html</a><br>
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                                <div><strong>Auteursrecht</strong><span> </span><br>
                                  <span>De website met inbegrip van
                                    teksten, lay-out, grafische
                                    bestanddelen, presentatie, logo’s,
                                    software en andere bestanddelen van
                                    deze site is beschermd door de
                                    intellectuele eigendomsrechten van
                                    bpost of haar
                                    informatieleveranciers, zoals het
                                    auteursrecht, naburige rechten,
                                    databankrecht en merkenrecht.</span><br>
                                  <span>Reproductie, verspreiding,
                                    verkoop, verdeling, publicatie,
                                    aanpassingen, ver</span><span>talingen,

                                    bewerkingen en gebruik voor
                                    commerciële doeleinden van het
                                    geheel of een deel van deze website
                                    is verboden, tenzij met
                                    voorafgaandelijke en schriftelijke
                                    toestemming van bpost.</span><br>
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                                <div>mvg</div>
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                                <div>m</div>
                                <div><span><br>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-17
                                  16:31 GMT+01:00 Sus Verhoeven <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:susvhv@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank">susvhv@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                      <div>Een middel is voor elke
                                        straat éénmaal Bpost op te
                                        roepen, die geeft het goede
                                        zonenummer., Zelden heeft een
                                        straat 2 zonenummers, en in dat
                                        geval geeft men de uiteinden op.
                                        En stillaan zou de zone grens
                                        zichtbaar worden.<br>
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                                      <div>De "Amstenradelaan" ligt in
                                        3800.<br>
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                                      Sus<br>
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                                          <div>2015-03-17 15:41
                                            GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere <span
                                              dir="ltr"><<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:sanderd17@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank">sanderd17@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                                    class="gmail_quote">Op
                                                    17 maart 2015 15:04
                                                    schreef Sus
                                                    Verhoeven <span
                                                      dir="ltr"><<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:susvhv@gmail.com" target="_blank">susvhv@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                                          <div>Ik heb
                                                          met de import
                                                          tools van
                                                          Sander op de
                                                          3800
                                                          (Sint-Truiden)
                                                          de
                                                          Amstenradelaan
                                                          genummerd en
                                                          alles verliep
                                                          normaal., De
                                                          gebouwen waren
                                                          daar al
                                                          getekend. <br>
                                                          Ik moet in OSM
                                                          wel nadien tot
                                                          het uiterste
                                                          inzoomen om de
                                                          nummers
                                                          zichtbaar te
                                                          krijgen.Ook
                                                          Nominatin kan
                                                          er mee
                                                          overweg. Alles
                                                          is dus
                                                          normaal,
                                                          alhoewel er
                                                          daar nog meer
                                                          dan 13.000
                                                          gebouven te
                                                          nummeren zijn.
                                                          <br>
                                                          Op de import
                                                          tools van
                                                          Sander zijn de
                                                          aanpassingen
                                                          nog niet
                                                          zichtbaar,
                                                          maar dat kan
                                                          wel nog een
                                                          tijdje duren.
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                                                          Sander, hoe
                                                          dikwijls per
                                                          dag wordt die
                                                          import tool
                                                          aangepast ?<br>
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                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>De OSM data
                                                      komt live van
                                                      Overpass iedere
                                                      keer dat je de
                                                      pagina vernieuwt
                                                      of op "Update"
                                                      klikt. En normaal
                                                      heeft overpass
                                                      slechts enkele
                                                      minuten vertraging
                                                      (hoewel er
                                                      natuurlijk op
                                                      iedere server wel
                                                      eens grotere
                                                      vertragingen
                                                      voorkomen).<br>
                                                      <br>
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                                                    <div>Het probleem is
                                                      echter dat er geen
                                                      postcode grens
                                                      bestaat in
                                                      Sint-Truiden
                                                      (zoals <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3366823" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3366823</a>
                                                      voor postcode
                                                      8840).
                                                      Sint-Truiden zelf
                                                      heeft 3 postcodes,
                                                      en een adres is
                                                      maar gedefinieerd
                                                      onder een postcode
                                                      (twee
                                                      verschillende
                                                      huizen in
                                                      Sint-Truiden
                                                      kunnen perfect
                                                      hetzelfde
                                                      huisnummer hebben
                                                      en dezelfde
                                                      straatnaam, maar
                                                      een verschillende
                                                      postcode).<br>
                                                      <br>
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                                                    <div>Ik heb
                                                      geprobeerd om ook
                                                      addr:postcode als
                                                      tag toe te staan,
                                                      maar dan werd de
                                                      overpass query
                                                      verschrikkelijk
                                                      traag (die moest
                                                      immers alle
                                                      adressen in
                                                      Vlaanderen gaan
                                                      filteren.<br>
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                                                    <div> <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>De enige
                                                      mogelijkheid is
                                                      dus om die grenzen
                                                      te tekenen (ook al
                                                      zijn ze slechts
                                                      bij benadering),
                                                      en dan zal
                                                      Sint-Truiden
                                                      meteen heel wat
                                                      groener zijn.<br>
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                                                        <div>Ook in Crab
                                                          zitten er
                                                          fouten in de
                                                          zone
                                                          nummering,
                                                          maar er is nog
                                                          Bpost voor de
                                                          controle, ook
                                                          voor missende
                                                          huisnummers.
                                                          Fouten op
                                                          zonenummers in
                                                          CRAB gebeuren
                                                          meestal op
                                                          straten die
                                                          een zonegrens
                                                          overschreiden.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>Ik zit nu
                                                          terug rustig
                                                          bezig op de
                                                          3582, nog
                                                          ogeveer 1000
                                                          te gaan ;-)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>Sus<br>
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                                                        Ik doe nu rustig
                                                        verder opde 3582<br>
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