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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-04-28 17:53, Marc Gemis wrote :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Er wordt momenteel gewerkt aan een wiki pagina met
de legende voor de stardaard rendering op <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://osm.org">osm.org</a>: <a
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href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Standard_tile_layer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Standard_tile_layer</a>
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<div>At this moment people are creating a page with the legend
for the standard rendering on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osm.org">osm.org</a>:</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Standard_tile_layer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Standard_tile_layer</a><br>
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What is its intended usage and how does/will one find that page?<br>
This is good work and a possible companion to the <a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker">Browsing
Help page</a> I cooperated with.<br>
How to find places and features, how to move about, how to tell what
you see.<br>
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But it's only useful if map readers can find it.<br>
And <b>read below (attentively)</b> what can happen if one wishes
the readers to find information.<br>
The work may be called a pile of hacky details, accreted nonsense
etc.<br>
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I opened a related <a
href="http://us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=paths+and+tracks+renderings+are+indistinguishable&fr=sfp&fr2=&type=__alt__ddc_linuxmint_com&hspart=ddc&hsimp=yhs-linuxmint&iscqry=">paths
and tracks renderings are indistinguishable</a> issue.<br>
And they still are.<br>
One particular point is that the map does not draw them like its key
does (path under footway).<br>
This "layer" is like that key for paths and tracks, not like the
map, not distinguishable, and I confess that I did not know that
there are (so) many track renderings. Also surprised that no
renderer mentioned that diversity. The consensus was that the
tracks must be a bit wider. But it's still work to do.<br>
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Cheers
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<td>Is what we are doing useful? (OSM.org map case)</td>
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<td>Sun, 22 Mar 2015 01:42:34 +0100</td>
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<td>André Pirard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com"><A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com></a></td>
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<td>Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org"><tagging@openstreetmap.org></a></td>
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<td>Aseerel4c26
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Hi,<br>
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I think that one good way to promote OSM is to teach the general
public to make references to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org">the main Map</a>.<br>
I know persons writing to 100s of people who could write things like
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5013364?mlat=48.85783&mlon=2.29513#map=18/48.85826/2.29478">the
rendezvous is here</a>.<br>
As well as webmasters, for example of Universities of which every
building can be mapped in detail.<br>
Alas, they don't know well how to do that.<br>
<br>
So, very welcomed by its co-authors, I improved this <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker">section
in the Browsing Help page</a>, some other parts of that page and
the French translation. I showed that, and the writers were suddenly
able to make links. <br>
They wondered why [the heck] that page is unfindable and is not
highlighted as the help page of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org">that map</a>.<br>
Generally, a program has a Help button to help using it, and
sometimes even a F1 key assignment.<br>
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So, I made <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/871">that
request to openstreetmap-website</a>.<br>
I received a one man's reply, without any discussion, closing the
issue instantly and disregarding my reply.<br>
It amounts to saying that what I and the other contributors of that
page have written is crap.<br>
"Full of all sorts of hacky low level details" (like the essentials
to make a link to OSM.org).<br>
Furthermore, that opinion extends to links to other wiki pages "full
of years works of ac[c]reted nonsense".<br>
In order of appearance, "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Multi-touch#Multi-touch_gestures"
class="extiw" title="wikipedia:en:Multi-touch">zoom and pinch" (</a>Wikipedia),
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geolocation"
title="Geolocation">geolocation</a>", "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim"
title="Nominatim">Nominatim</a>", "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_projects"
title="Mapping projects">Mapping projects</a>", "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenCycleMap"
title="OpenCycleMap">Cycle Map</a>", "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Transport_Map"
title="Transport Map">Transport Map</a>", "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapQuest"
title="MapQuest">MapQuest</a> Open", "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM-based_services"
title="List of OSM-based services">List of OSM-based services</a>",
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features" title="Map
Features">Map Features</a>", "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway"
title="Key:highway">Key:highway</a>", ...<br>
Finally, that <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org">OSM.org map</a> would "not be
intended for the end user" but "the target audience is mappers". <br>
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All that in the frequent style that I call "not", disparaging what
others did or think without a single constructive word about how to
improve it or what it should be.<br>
<br>
I feel like being insulted instead of thanked (as well as many other
persons).<br>
<br>
I have, of course, immediately stopped improving and translating the
OpenStreetMap documentation.<br>
And I, who spent much time tagging, like the boundaries of south
Belgium, feel very much like stopping to participate to OSM
entirely.<br>
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You may want to add your comments to that issue.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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