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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-06-04 14:57, Julien Fastré
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<pre wrap="">Hi Erik,
This licence applies to the visualization service :
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicServicesSPW.pdf">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicServicesSPW.pdf</a>
The text is quite uncomprehensible. I had a discussion with them that it
is not forbidden if you copy that on a map and mix with other data (what
we do in OSM).</pre>
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Hi Julien,<br>
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This is what I see (as "conditions particulières" I suppose) (my
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d'accès et d'utilisation</span></div>
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<td valign="top">- Aucune contrainte d'accès pour la
consultation<br>
- Les termes de la licence s'appliquent. <a target="_blank"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf</a><br>
- Les termes de la licence s'appliquent. <a target="_blank"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf</a></td>
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effectuer pour obtenir la géodonnée">Obtaining formalities</span></td>
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<div class="box-col2">Pour toutes demandes, complétez le
formulaire de licence (<a target="_blank"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf</a>)
et l'envoyer à <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:helpdesk.carto@spw.wallonie.be">helpdesk.carto@spw.wallonie.be</a> </div>
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<p class="metaContent"> But I see absolutely no explanation of
what "consultation" and "license" allow to do.<br>
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<p class="metaContent">You once wrote that Minister Henry has
told SPW (his department) to open all their data.<br>
And later that we can now copy the data.<br>
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<p class="metaContent">Maybe Minister Henry should be asked to
be sure that the answer is what he wants.<br>
Also making sure that the boundary data belongs to the
Belgian people represented by its government.<br>
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<p class="metaContent">To put an end to these endless
discussions (repeated for every server), I have once opened
a JOSM ticket suggesting that JOSM could read the ©
information from where it belongs in the server meta-data
and display it to the JOSM user on first use of the server,
any time the © is modified and on request.<br>
The ticket was closed with "wontfix" status. That doesn't
make © seem an important topic.<br>
The PICC meta-data contains:<br>
<Fees></Fees><AccessConstraints></AccessConstraints><br>
In which case JOSM should automatically suggest the user to
send a prepared e-mail to<br>
<ContactElectronicMailAddress><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:helpdesk.carto@spw.wallonie.be">helpdesk.carto@spw.wallonie.be</a></ContactElectronicMailAddress><br>
suggesting them to fill meta-data as
<AccessConstraints>©-URL
Iso-date</AccessConstraints><br>
and referring to an OpenStreetMap document explaining what
©-URL should explain clearly for OSM usage.<br>
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<p class="metaContent">These are "facts" and is is in no way
trying to convince that anybody is "doing bad job" as you
claim, but is my usual suggestions to improve the situation.<br>
Unfortunately, they cannot be written in two lines as you
request, just try.<br>
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<p class="metaContent">PS: I made a confusion when calling it
PICC 2000 with DWG 2000 which is a data distribution format.<br>
PICC was created in 1991 and the last data update is
2015-01-08.<br>
But that does not say what exactly was updated and I don't
see in PICC houses that are built for a long time, hence my
confusion.<br>
Anyway, checking with the aerial layer is necessary, that's
a reason why I made PICC transparent.<br>
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Julien
Le 29/05/15 21:21, Erik Beerten a écrit :
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<pre wrap="">Hello,
I am Flemish but regularly mapping things in the south of Belgium.
To be clear, is it correct that all map data on the Walloon PICC 2000
(including the shape of the buildings) are free for copying to OSM?
PICC is about the same as the Flemish AGIV GRB map but the building
shapes on that map may not be copied.
Regards,
Erik
Op 23-05-15 om 18:14 schreef André Pirard:
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<pre wrap="">On 2015-05-15 15:13, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote :
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<pre wrap="">Dear all,
I want to learn how to use JOSM and benefit from your work, and use
the "belgian settings" whatever this is that as I suppose simplify
the tasks.
...
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<pre wrap="">Bon maintenant,
Regarding the "Belgian settings", I have mentioned before that JOSM
requires WMS EPSG:4326/3857 and reported to SPW in 2010 and here later
that the best WA server, which was the PICC server, returned blank
4326 tiles. It even contained many WMS configuration errors such that
JOSM failed to configure it automatically. There have been no
follow-ups to those comments, just that they are not interesting.
I have lately discovered purely by chance that the PICC bugs are now
corrected. It's possible to configure it with JOSM.
The optimized PICC configuration can be installed with:
JOSM>Imagery>Imagery Preferences>Refresh
JOSM>Imagery>Imagery Preferences>select BE|SPW(allonie) PICC 2000
numerical imagery>Activate
You may want to remove layer 49 to prevent redundant street names
obscuring the highways:
In ...>Selected entries:>SPW(allonie) PICC...>double-click column 2,
edit "49," out, <return> ... OK
Place names are in layers 56-60.
The maximum zoom is 21.
I have filed a request that JOSM scaled the images above that zoom.
This will be done in June (JOSM guys are really great!). While waiting:
JOSM>Windows>Layers>right-click SPW...PICC...>turn OFF: Automatically
change resolution
JOSM>View/Jump to Position>map=21... or zoom=5 metres
(repeat each time the layer is added)
That PICC data is old (2000 I think, missing houses etc.).
I wish the more recent BASE imagery were available for JOSM.
But these do not support WMS EPSG:4326/3857 (;-) ).
PICC has a wonderful 25 cm precision.
May I recall that (airplane) *aerial **photographs are a pitfall* !!!
What you see of houses is rooftops. What must be tagged is ground
level walls.
Due to a varying shooting angle, the roofs are offset from the ground
polygon.
The offset can be as high as 2, 3, 4... meters, roughly 10 times the
precision.
The wall images are not vertical, you can see them often as a black
surface.
What must be tagged is the far end of that surface.
And the other end of the roof must be chopped by the same width.
PICC does all that calculation for you, you will notice it.
It sometimes looks like it is wrongly offset, but look twice, it is
right most of the time.
You will see that by comparing it with other tagging.
With <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http:...WMS...transparent=yes">http:...WMS...transparent=yes</a>, use a dark gray JOSM background:
Add file ~/.josm/MyCSS.css containing:
canvas { background-color: #404040; }
and use it with:
OSM>Edit>Preferences>Map Settings (3)>Map Paint
Styles>+>~/.josm/MyCSS.css ... OK
OSM>Windows>Map Paint Styles>select MyCSS
Here is a sample of what PICC will look like on JOSM
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/TOPOGRAPHIE/PICC/MapServer/WmsServer?&SERVICE=WMS&VERSION=1.1.1&FORMAT=image/png8&TRANSPARENT=false&bgcolor=404040&REQUEST=GetMap&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=3000&HEIGHT=1000&BBOX=626381.8743881,6539659.6002846,627352.0063567,6539982.9776075&LAYERS=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60"><http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/TOPOGRAPHIE/PICC/MapServer/WmsServer?&SERVICE=WMS&VERSION=1.1.1&FORMAT=image/png8&TRANSPARENT=false&bgcolor=404040&REQUEST=GetMap&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=3000&HEIGHT=1000&BBOX=626381.8743881,6539659.6002846,627352.0063567,6539982.9776075&LAYERS=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34
,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60></a>.
(with vector OSM on top and aerial orthos seeing through!)
Enjoy.
Cheers
André.
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