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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>No,<div><br><div>dat hoort op historische en thematische kaarten.<br><br><div>Ph Casteleyn <br>Dahliastraat 16<br>
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gsm 0486 516261<br></div><div id="ecxchromeVisPage2ExtensionDiv" style="display:none;">Ctrl+v</div><div id="ecxchromeVisExtension2PageDiv" style="display:none;"></div><span style="border:medium groove rgb(0, 0, 0);min-height:5px;border-radius:7px;display:none;top:0px;min-width:935px;max-width:935px;left:10px;right:100px;"></span><div id="ecxchromeVisBackground2LensDiv" style="display:none;"></div><br><br><div>> From: talk-be-request@openstreetmap.org<br>> Subject: Talk-be Digest, Vol 95, Issue 28<br>> To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org<br>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:16:37 +0000<br>> <br>> Send Talk-be mailing list submissions to<br>> talk-be@openstreetmap.org<br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be<br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> talk-be-request@openstreetmap.org<br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> talk-be-owner@openstreetmap.org<br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of Talk-be digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris<br>> (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=)<br>> 2. Re: Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris (Ruben Maes)<br>> 3. Re: Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris<br>> (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=)<br>> 4. Re: Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris<br>> (Karel Adams)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:14:57 +0100<br>> From: "=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=" <a.pirard.papou@gmail.com><br>> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br>> <tagging@openstreetmap.org>, OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>> <talk-be@openstreetmap.org><br>> Subject: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in<br>> Paris<br>> Message-ID: <56475E01.6030609@gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> Hi,<br>> <br>> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.<br>> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little...<br>> Wikipedia have been extremely fast<br>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all<br>> languages !!!<br>> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but<br>> how?):<br>> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France<br>> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France><br>> <br>> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):<br>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that<br>> happened here on 2015-11-13.<br>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155><br>> It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note><br>> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.<br>> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)<br>> > Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques<br>> > terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de<br>> > tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.<br>> In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. <br>> Translates to:<br>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that<br>> happened here on 2015-11-13.<br>> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the<br>> world.<br>> <br>> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.<br>> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.<br>> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.<br>> <br>> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.<br>> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to<br>> join the world's cry .<br>> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.<br>> <br>> Cheers<br>> <br>> André.<br>> <br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20151114/3e1e2972/attachment-0001.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:24:32 +0100<br>> From: Ruben Maes <ruben@janmaes.com><br>> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org><br>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in<br>> Paris<br>> Message-ID: <1494762.PGpAJdsEip@ood><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> Hi<br>> <br>> I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather have your changeset reverted.<br>> <br>> Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. There may even be terrorists here for all we know.<br>> <br>> If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many people are already doing.<br>> <br>> Regards<br>> Ruben<br>> <br>> <br>> Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:<br>> > Hi,<br>> > <br>> > OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.<br>> > In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little...<br>> > Wikipedia have been extremely fast<br>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all<br>> > languages !!!<br>> > After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but<br>> > how?):<br>> > Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France<br>> > <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France><br>> > <br>> > I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):<br>> > Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that<br>> > happened here on 2015-11-13.<br>> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155><br>> > It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note><br>> > to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.<br>> > (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)<br>> > > Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques<br>> > > terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de<br>> > > tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.<br>> > In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. <br>> > Translates to:<br>> > Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that<br>> > happened here on 2015-11-13.<br>> > Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the<br>> > world.<br>> > <br>> > Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.<br>> > Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.<br>> > I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.<br>> > <br>> > By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.<br>> > It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to<br>> > join the world's cry .<br>> > But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.<br>> > <br>> > Cheers<br>> > <br>> > André.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> <br>> -- <br>> This message is OpenPGP signed.<br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>> Name: signature.asc<br>> Type: application/pgp-signature<br>> Size: 836 bytes<br>> Desc: This is a digitally signed message part.<br>> URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20151114/5d344877/attachment-0001.sig><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:07:06 +0100<br>> From: "=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=" <a.pirard.papou@gmail.com><br>> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org><br>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in<br>> Paris<br>> Message-ID: <56476A3A.4060704@gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :<br>> > Hi<br>> ><br>> > I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather have your changeset reverted.<br>> My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I<br>> feared this reply.<br>> > Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. <br>> That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion<br>> about it.<br>> At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.<br>> I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of<br>> yeses, I will revert.<br>> So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.<br>> <br>> By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a<br>> decision is made by Monday.<br>> <br>> And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what<br>> you think about the Wikipedia link. That is, a link that is not the<br>> website of the element but to information related to it.<br>> > There may even be terrorists here for all we know.<br>> ><br>> > If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many people are already doing.<br>> I don't feel like that at all. There is no boasting.<br>> Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much boasting?<br>> <br>> Cheers<br>> <br>> André.<br>> <br>> <br>> > Regards<br>> > Ruben<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:<br>> >> Hi,<br>> >><br>> >> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.<br>> >> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little...<br>> >> Wikipedia have been extremely fast<br>> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all<br>> >> languages !!!<br>> >> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but<br>> >> how?):<br>> >> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France<br>> >> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France><br>> >><br>> >> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):<br>> >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that<br>> >> happened here on 2015-11-13.<br>> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155><br>> >> It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note><br>> >> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.<br>> >> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)<br>> >>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques<br>> >>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de<br>> >>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.<br>> >> In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. <br>> >> Translates to:<br>> >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that<br>> >> happened here on 2015-11-13.<br>> >> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the<br>> >> world.<br>> >><br>> >> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.<br>> >> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.<br>> >> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.<br>> >><br>> >> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.<br>> >> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to<br>> >> join the world's cry .<br>> >> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.<br>> >><br>> >> Cheers<br>> >><br>> >> André.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> ><br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20151114/44943935/attachment-0001.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:16:21 +0000<br>> From: Karel Adams <fa348739@skynet.be><br>> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org><br>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in<br>> Paris<br>> Message-ID: <56476C65.3010800@skynet.be><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br>> <br>> Ruben heeft gelijk. Politiek is politiek. Dat is niet de bekommernis van <br>> onze gemeenschappelijke zaak ("cause commune").<br>> <br>> Et à vous André: il ne faut pas mettre en question, voire même valider, <br>> l'opinion générale avant de l'avoir sollicitée.<br>> <br>> Karel<br>> <br>> On 14-11-15 17:07, André Pirard wrote:<br>> > On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :<br>> >> Hi<br>> >><br>> >> I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather have your changeset reverted.<br>> > My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I <br>> > feared this reply.<br>> >> Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers.<br>> > That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion <br>> > about it.<br>> > At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.<br>> > I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority <br>> > of yeses, I will revert.<br>> > So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.<br>> ><br>> > By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a <br>> > decision is made by Monday.<br>> ><br>> > And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us <br>> > what you think about the Wikipedia link. That is, a link that is not <br>> > the website of the element but to information related to it.<br>> >> There may even be terrorists here for all we know.<br>> >><br>> >> If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many people are already doing.<br>> > I don't feel like that at all. There is no boasting.<br>> > Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much <br>> > boasting?<br>> ><br>> > Cheers<br>> ><br>> > André.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Regards<br>> >> Ruben<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:<br>> >>> Hi,<br>> >>><br>> >>> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.<br>> >>> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little...<br>> >>> Wikipedia have been extremely fast<br>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all<br>> >>> languages !!!<br>> >>> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but<br>> >>> how?):<br>> >>> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France<br>> >>> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France><br>> >>><br>> >>> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):<br>> >>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that<br>> >>> happened here on 2015-11-13.<br>> >>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155><br>> >>> It adds the following note<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note><br>> >>> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.<br>> >>> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)<br>> >>>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques<br>> >>>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de<br>> >>>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.<br>> >>> In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters.<br>> >>> Translates to:<br>> >>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that<br>> >>> happened here on 2015-11-13.<br>> >>> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the<br>> >>> world.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.<br>> >>> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.<br>> >>> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.<br>> >>><br>> >>> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.<br>> >>> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to<br>> >>> join the world's cry .<br>> >>> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Cheers<br>> >>><br>> >>> André.<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Talk-be mailing list<br>> > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org<br>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be<br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20151114/aca02260/attachment.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Talk-be mailing list<br>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org<br>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be<br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> End of Talk-be Digest, Vol 95, Issue 28<br>> ***************************************<br></div></div></div> </div></body>
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