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<p>Als Vlaming hebben wij altijd geleerd ons in het buitenland als ambassadeurs te gedragen. Een toerist die in Brussel neerstrijkt en het lokale voetvolk het werk moeilijk maakt, nee daarvoor schuw ik mijn woorden niet.</p>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:45:31 +0100<br>
From: Glenn Plas <glenn@byte-consult.be><br>
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org><br>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] KBO<br>
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Nope, we can't. The license is incompatible with OSM. It's too<br>
restrictive.<br>
<a href="http://economie.fgov.be/nl/modules/publications/kbo/licence_open_data.jsp" id="LPlnk658280" previewremoved="true">http://economie.fgov.be/nl/modules/publications/kbo/licence_open_data.jsp</a>
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I investigated this about a half year ago. They call it open data but<br>
they impose restriction on the usage. I downloaded it back then and<br>
gave as intended use : "creating a webapp". It's a bit silly because<br>
you can keep it very generic but it's too limiting to be a real opendata<br>
license.<br>
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They used to sell this DB for a small fee of about 70K euro's in the<br>
past, probably still a relic of clinging on reselling data that in<br>
essence is 'ours' to begin with.<br>
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See also the cookbook:<br>
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I've considered using this data to augment up the GRB data on import,<br>
but decided against it.<br>
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Glenn<br>
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On 16-02-17 10:37, Killian De Volder wrote:<br>
> Does anyone know if we are allowed to use<br>
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> I would read some of the policies on their site, but all the links are broken.<br>
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> If nobody knows, I could send an email to the department to ask.<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:52:16 +0100<br>
From: Glenn Plas <glenn@byte-consult.be><br>
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org><br>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Notes pollutie in Brussel<br>
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Mr Casteleyn,<br>
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Dit is de 2de maal dat u iemand persoonlijk aanvalt, en 2 maal dezelfde<br>
persoon over een paar notes die u niet aanstaan.<br>
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U overdrijft gewoon. Ik heb met de mantel der liefde al mensen<br>
aangepakt die brokken data vernielden van mijn hand uit onwetendheid,<br>
iedereen in OSM doet dubbel werk van tijd, live with it. It's part of<br>
the game.<br>
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Als de notes u werkelijk niet aanstaan, kijk er dan niet naar! Dit is<br>
een community, geen concurentie. geen enkele 'dictator' verplicht u<br>
toch om er rekening mee te houden ?<br>
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Ik vind dat Math nog heel proper reageerde op uw voorlaatste klaagzang,<br>
ik stel voor om dezelfde diplomatische houding aan te nemen, uw<br>
aanvallen storen mij meer dan de notes waar ik niet naar kijk. Steek uw<br>
energie in het editten van de kaart ipv in dit soort thrash mails te<br>
schrijven.<br>
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Er is geen deadline voor editeren van OSM, het is een constante golf van<br>
veranderingen en aanpassingen aan de realiteit, we zullen de factor<br>
altijd achterlopen op de werkelijkheid.<br>
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Don't fix the blame, fix the problem.<br>
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Glenn<br>
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> fatsoenlijke notes de dag zelf te publiceren. De laastste 5 maand zit<br>
> ik naar de 50 notes van Math te staren en ik zie meer beweging in de<br>
> winkels dan in de notes. Bovendien zijn zijn notes geen notes. Zelfs<br>
> een Brusselaar kan op de OSM kaart zien welke panden en<br>
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> gewoon hondjesgedrag.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Ik ben niet van plan elke dag te kijken of er een éénenvijftigste<br>
> fatsoenlijke note tussen zit. Ik ben ook niet van plan naar de pijpen<br>
> van een buitenlandse dictator te dansen. Zijn er al precendenten ? Hoe<br>
> reageren andere beschavingen op zulke D.O.S. bombardementen ? Ik heb<br>
> ook niet de indruk dat de locals 100 procent achter mij staan. De notes<br>
> staan er nog. Ik zal dan ook stoppen met de winkelgaanderijen te<br>
> bolfotograferen. Trop is te veel.<br>
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> Dahliastraat 16<br>
> 2800 Mechelen<br>
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