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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I didn’t realize (although it says so at the bottom…), but the “<a href="https://data.stad.gent/algemene-licentie">Algemene licentie</a>” of the
City of Ghent is in fact the <a href="https://overheid.vlaanderen.be/gratis-open-data-licentie">
Gratis Open Data Licentie Vlaanderen</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I got a confirmation from the head of “Data en Informatie” that the attribution requirement can be handled in the same way as it is done for e.g.
Agiv data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anything more we need to know?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Seppe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Santens Seppe [mailto:Seppe.Santens@stad.gent]
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<b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 23 februari 2017 23:40<br>
<b>Aan:</b> OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSM-talk-be] car sharing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ll ask for clarification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Seppe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Ben Abelshausen [<a href="mailto:ben.abelshausen@gmail.com">mailto:ben.abelshausen@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 23 februari 2017 11:34<br>
<b>Aan:</b> OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSM-talk-be] car sharing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Seppe,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only issue in OSM is the attribution requirement, meaning we can't quote the city of Ghent in every application that uses OSM. That however was fixed with the flemish open data license by adding attribution on the OSM wiki by adding
them to this page:<br>
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<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Belgium">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Belgium</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We would need clarification if that is enough to meet the attribution requirement in this license. Why btw does the city use yet another license and not one of the many many licenses out there? :-) You can see in this case that it's not
enough to quote equivalence to other licenses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Met vriendelijke groeten,<br>
Best regards,<br>
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Ben Abelshausen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Santens Seppe <<a href="mailto:Seppe.Santens@stad.gent" target="_blank">Seppe.Santens@stad.gent</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On the topic of car sharing: on the data portal of the City of Ghent (the organization
I work for), there is a dataset with all Cambio locations (not only the ones in Ghent):
<a href="https://data.stad.gent/datasets/standplaatsen-cambio" target="_blank">https://data.stad.gent/datasets/standplaatsen-cambio</a> No doubt this could be a great extra help to improve OSM (of course not without verification in the field or via Mapillary/OSC).
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Could anyone with more legal affinity than me figure out whether the “Algemene licentie”
(<a href="https://data.stad.gent/algemene-licentie" target="_blank">https://data.stad.gent/algemene-licentie</a> - Dutch) is compatible with ODbL?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">data.stad.gent contains other datasets that – in my opinion – could be very interesting
for OSM (and in the ideal world vice versa). Have a look at: <a href="https://data.stad.gent/datasets?geo=2" target="_blank">
https://data.stad.gent/datasets?geo=2</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> joost schouppe
[mailto:<a href="mailto:joost.schouppe@gmail.com" target="_blank">joost.schouppe@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 9 februari 2017 13:47<br>
<b>Aan:</b> OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> [OSM-talk-be] car sharing</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Here's another example of a Mapcontrib website, this time for car sharing:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/27b3df-Car_sharing_locations" target="_blank">https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/27b3df-Car_sharing_locations</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hit the smiley-face to connect your OSM account, and you can complete tagging or add POIs. I created two presets, for Cambio and Partago, so everyone can easily standardise tagging.
If someone is interested to complete documentation for Belgian operators (including fun stuff like wikidata tags etc), then I'm willing to add all of them as presets.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(unfortunately it's still impossible to share mapcontrib instance management)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I really feel like we could do some cool stuff with Mapcontrib, to get many more people to contribute random POIs. It's even possible to edit ways or relations too, so you could
make a mapcontrib instance to collect road surface or speed information.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Think of our maxpseed 90>70 problem in Flanders.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">These examples are made with cached (updated daily) overpass queries, but you can also import other data into mapcontrib and use that for mapping.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I'll gladly give an intro to mapcontrib at the next Brussels and Antwerp meetups.<br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/" target="_blank">OpenStreetMap</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/joostjakob" target="_blank">Twitter</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a> | <a href="http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/" target="_blank">Meetup</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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