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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Oh yes, one more thing: traffic signs are often contradictory (e.g. different message at beginning and end of the street), which of course is very
frustrating…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Santens Seppe
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<b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 3 maart 2017 10:45<br>
<b>Aan:</b> 'OpenStreetMap Belgium'<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> RE: [OSM-talk-be] Missing oneway:bicycle=no<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for this script André. It’s simple, but it clearly shows where there is work to do.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve corrected a few situations in Ghent. Some remarks/questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve seen the combination of oneway=no and cycleway=opposite. I guess the latter tag should (always?) be deleted in this case (of course
given that the oneway=no is correct). Or could there be a reason why it is there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Things can get complicated/confusing when you have a separately mapped cycle track running along the way that is tagged with oneway=yes
(and possibly bicycle=use_sidepath).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think it’s a good idea to always tag oneway:bicycle=yes in combination with oneway=yes where applicable (because not having an exception
for bicycles in a oneway=yes street is usually an exception, if you get what I mean). This could help verification by others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Seppe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Van:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> André Pirard [<a href="mailto:a.pirard.papou@gmail.com">mailto:a.pirard.papou@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 14 februari 2017 17:35<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Tag discussion, strat</span><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">egy and related tools; OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> [OSM-talk-be] Missing oneway:bicycle=no<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I once read that routes of cyclists using OSM were laughed at by the others...<br>
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<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:#EEEEFF"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway"><strong><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">oneway</span></strong>=yes</a>
</span></tt>is a routing tag (used by GSM) indicating that only one way of the highway can be used.<br>
That page says that the exception for bicycles to run contraflow is <strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";background:#EEEEFF">oneway</span></strong><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:#EEEEFF">:<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle" title="Key:bicycle">bicycle</a>=no</span></tt>.<br>
And that <tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:#EEEEFF"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway" title="Key:cycleway">cycleway</a>=opposite*</span></tt> is
<b>added</b> for compatibility.<br>
Also, <a href="Key:cycleway"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Key:cycleway</span></tt></a> says that
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:#EEEEFF"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway:bicycle" title="Key:oneway:bicycle">oneway:bicycle</a>=no</span></tt>. must be used with cycleway=opposite.<br>
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All in all it makes much sense that <b>only one </b><tt><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:#EEEEFF"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway:bicycle" title="Key:oneway:bicycle">oneway:bicycle</a>=no</span></b></tt><b> routing tag</b>
be used to allow bicycle contraflow.<br>
And that other tags like cycleway=* are not routing tags to be used by routing software (GSM).<br>
They are just tags giving more detail about how the bicycles run.<br>
Why would a multitude of duplicating <b>routing</b> tags like <tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">detour:bicycle=yes</span></tt> or
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">shortcut:bicycle=yes</span></tt> be used Indeed?<br>
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Unfortunately, while writing an overpass script I noticed that many <tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">cycleway=opposite*</span></tt> exist without
<span class="mw-redirect"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";background:#EEEEFF">oneway:bicycle</span></span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:#EEEEFF">=no</span></tt> and even without
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">oneway=yes</span></tt>.<br>
<a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=%0A%5Bout%3Ajson%5D%5Btimeout%3A60%5D%3B%0A%2F%2F%20gather%20results%0A%28%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20%0A%20way%5B%21%22oneway%3Abicycle%22%5D%5Bcycleway%7E%22opposite%22%5D%28%7B%7Bbbox%7D%7D%29%3B%0A%20%20%0A%29%3B%0A%2F%2F%20print%20results%0Aout%20body%3B%0A%3E%3B%0Aout%20skel%20qt%3B%0A%0A">Please
run this script</a> to find some of them.<br>
I'm not going to give the nonOSM people I work with overly complicated instructions. I'm not going to make a complicated script. To write it "for the errors".<br>
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Could we please correct those mistakes?<br>
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Cheers <o:p></o:p></p>
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