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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-05-08 15:09, <a
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href="mailto:mgwebmail@fastmail.fm"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mgwebmail@fastmail.fm">mgwebmail@fastmail.fm</a></a>
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André,
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<div class="">I guess Glenn’s point is that the license issue
cannot be circumvented, even if the king itself says something
different than its contents.</div>
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<div class="">You said that Glenn looked at the wrong file, but as
far as I can see you didn’t provide any other one. Did you ?</div>
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..at the wrong 3 files.<br>
I provided the other one as follows:<br>
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<ul style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">
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<h3 class="">Consulter (= browsing = what OSM does :<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><big class=""><big
class="">tracing</big></big><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>VIA A WEB SERVICE)<br
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that is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">browsing</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">tracing</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and the conditions
are:<br class="">
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<li class=""><a
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicServicesSPW.pdf"
class="">Conditions d’accès et d’utilisation des services
web géographiques de visualisation du Service public de
Wallonie</a><br class="">
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<li class="">that is: "Aucune contrainte d'accès pour la
consultation".</li>
<li class=""><b class="">absolutely no restriction on what the
user can do with browsing and tracing the PICC</b></li>
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That is the file that the SPW told me applies to "consulter".<br>
Unfortunately, although it is linked <a
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/documents/ConditionsSPW/DataSPW-CGU.pdf">by
the other 3 files</a>, it <b>just</b> disappeared from their Web
(1) (am I a lucky chap?).<br>
Additionally, I told them that it should appear under "conditions"
under "consulter" and there was no reaction (1).<br>
Anyway, "Aucune contrainte d'accès pour la consultation" is copied
from it I swear and it speaks by itself.<br>
<br>
At this point of this game, the official SPW document sent by e-mail
achieves my goal which is to reassure the mappers that the SPW won't
sue them and to stop the vigilantes' threatening.<br>
Anyone not satisfied with the contents of the SPW Web should
obviously discuss that with them and not us (1).<br>
And it would be yourself or Julien Fastré to fix the detail here
above with the SPW.<br>
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<div class="">From the OSM point of view, Wallonia will need to
endorse ODBL or any compatible license scheme in order fro PICC
(and others) to be accepted as a valid data source. It’s an
administrative and legal point of view, nothing personal for
god’s sake !</div>
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"Aucune contrainte d'accès pour la consultation" means "public
domain". Isn't that compatible?<br>
Now if you have a high-brow name like ZORGLUB for PD, just use it
instead.<br>
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<div class="">I was recently in the process of mapping a big
bicycle network (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4128428" class="">Wallonie
Picarde à Vélo (4128428)</a>) and I had to stop at 70% of
completion because the Province suddenly asked me (why me ?) to
sign some documents that was completely against the ODBL
license. Potentially the whole relation could be deleted right
now, even if it took me hours and hours of work. <br>
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That is why I made it absolutely sure that it won't happen with the
SPW and the PICC.<br>
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<div class="">It’s sad but I’m afraid that until Wallonia move its
ass and enters the 21st century their will be no progress
possible on that front.</div>
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(1) They have official Web pages, they have an official e-mail
address on it, that from which I received the official document I
showed. Anyone can write to them that their ass is not public
domain. But I would consult Julien first.<br>
I myself have no more time to lose with nit picking.<br>
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Happy mapping,<br>
Cheers,<br>
Cordialement, <br>
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