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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-05-30 18:43, Thomas Bertels
wrote:<br>
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Hi,<br>
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After different emails to<br>
* helpdesk.carto AT spw.wallonie.be (no official answer)<br>
* carlo.diantonio AT gov.wallonie.be<br>
* rene.collin AT gov.wallonie.be<br>
* jeanclaude.jasselette AT spw.wallonie.be<br>
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What is the need to contact all those people after a SPW lawyer made
the situation clear?<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:aabfcf4e-27c4-159b-c0e8-e3fb812aa078@gmail.com"
type="cite"> I've finally received an email from <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://twitter.com/vbombaerts">Vincent
Bombaerts</a> (vincent.bombaerts AT spw.wallonie.be), Attaché to
the SECRÉTARIAT GÉNÉRAL of the DIRECTION DE L'INTEGRATION DES
GEODONNEES.<br>
<br>
Following that, I've been on the phone with him and he told me
that, like many already know, we can use the data from the SPW for
OSM.<br>
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Not at all.<br>
For anyone having understood the terms of the SPW that are clarified
in my "YES we can trace the PICC" message, we are not allowed to use
(copy) the (vector) data of the PICC but we are allowed to trace the
images of the WMS et al. services.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:aabfcf4e-27c4-159b-c0e8-e3fb812aa078@gmail.com"
type="cite"> I had been requesting authorization for PICC and
orthophotos, but he told me that there are other potentially
useful data like <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/catalogue/f3cdf392-a569-423e-889e-186c5e647cd3.html">MNT</a>
(relief) and others.<br>
<br>
However, since I'd been asking for an explicit authorization
(needed for integration into the iD editor), he told me that the
authorization contract templates they've got require an
organization. Probably because the data is free of the
associations without lucrative purpose.<br>
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First, I strongly discourage using ID and Potlatch. This is what has
led to highly imprecise Wallonia tagging as well as introducing
tagging errors over the years. All that work has to be redone with
correction.<br>
Please use the PICC with JOSM to achieve a 25 cm precision excellent
tagging.<br>
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Second, I'm not sure how ID could use the vector data that we could
get a license to copy.<br>
<br>
Let us recall that the "copying" of PICC's data is subject to 1) a
possibly payed license 2) signed between SPW and the user 3) for
only a well defined, agreed part of Wallonia 4) over a limited
period 5) for an agreed restricted use.<br>
<a
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/documents/ConditionsSPW/DataSPW-CGU.pdf">Look
at this file</a>. This is certainly not for all OSM contributors
to put that data in OSM !!!<br>
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cite="mid:aabfcf4e-27c4-159b-c0e8-e3fb812aa078@gmail.com"
type="cite"> He suggested <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openknowledge.be/about-us/">Open Knowledge
Belgium</a>, which is the parent of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osm.be">OpenStreetMap Belgium</a>.<br>
I told him that what matters is that all OSM contributors are
allowed to use SPW data for OSM.<br>
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I think that, after the very complete clarification I posted, this
is confusion again between copying the data and tracing the
services. What is amazing this time is that SPW personal themselves
are making the confusion, at least as you say it.<br>
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Cheers,
<br>
<br>
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cite="mid:aabfcf4e-27c4-159b-c0e8-e3fb812aa078@gmail.com"
type="cite"> He would like to have someone to talk to on behalf of
the Belgian (or at least Walloon) OSM community, to discuss
further about the terms and potential future cooperation with OSM.<br>
That person would be a link with the OSM community and would
represent it when talking with him.<br>
Like the SPW, Vincent Bombaerts is based in Namur, but can and
does go to mapping and related initiatives like <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016">State
Of The Map 2016</a> (in Brussels) and FOSDEM. So the meeting(s)
don't need to take place in Namur.<br>
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Is anyone interested to be that person?<br>
<br>
Hopefully, those licensing issues should be soon a thing of the
past.<br>
<br>
Thomas Bertels<br>
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