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<p>Thanks, Jo, you are looking on from a little distance, that is
always helpful to get consensus...</p>
<p>I agree with your "the key to create such a blank is commonly
known as the space bar" - which only confirms how subtle the
English language really is. And that is precisely what makes me
contest the "rule" cited by @Ruben (he/she is right in the
citation, but I defy the rule) "on this list the accepted standard
is to use English" - I never liked that rule, mostly for this
reason. There's all too many people who post (to some degree)
gibberish, in the firm belief they have good English. <br>
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<p>And to come back to @Ruben's reply "no-one would have failed to
understand what we meant": try taking this conversation though
some www translation tool to an exotic language, say Japanese or
Swahili or Latin or Basque, than back to English. Without having
checked, I dare to bet that somewhere in the process the "space"
was converted to something astronautical. So yes, I am sure many
people might get confused. Or in other words, what's the added
value of posting in a language that is NOT native to this Belgian
country? Except of course to oblige those few who prefer learning
foreign languages over learning their own.</p>
<p>Karel (admittedly touchy on matters of language and local
culture)</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Karel, you are probably right, but the key to
create such a blank is commonly known as the space bar.
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<div>I would also remove the 'empty character' (Leerzeichen)
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<div>In France it's consistently with a space, I guess they find
it like that on their signage.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Op za 11 aug. 2018 om 15:11 schreef Karel Adams
<<a href="mailto:fa348739@skynet.be" moz-do-not-send="true">fa348739@skynet.be</a>>:<br>
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for being pecky on language - for this once I feel free <br>
because language is (more or less) the subject matter anyway.<br>
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Where @jakka writes "space", and @ruben neatly follows suit, I
think the <br>
actual meaning is "blank".<br>
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nl "spatie" => en "blank"<br>
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en "space" => nl "ruimte"<br>
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Not wanting to "score" any personal hits, just for the common
good: <br>
allow me to recommend that English should only be used by
those who <br>
master that subtle language really well. There is no reason
for not <br>
posting in one's native language, on a list of regional
importance such <br>
as this.<br>
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Groeten :)<br>
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Karel<br>
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On 11/08/18 12:38, Ruben wrote:<br>
> Hi Frank,<br>
><br>
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 21:06:54 +0200, Jakka <<a
href="mailto:vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vdmfrankvdm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Where can I see and read what is the correct spelling
of the E and other road network like A? Is there a space
between the letter and number?<br>
>> The wiki pages <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Europe/E-road_network"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Europe/E-road_network</a>
and <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_E-road_network"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_E-road_network</a>
are not clear about that...<br>
>> See the mapillary <a
href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/vEtPrDgYQ9nVD2kfehABQg"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/vEtPrDgYQ9nVD2kfehABQg</a>
example: there are no spaces so should we adapt all those
tags?<br>
> I believe our local refs are without space (so "A17",
"R0", "N540"). Our signposting for international refs doesn't
use a space either (E40), or sometimes a 'thin space' (E 40).
I've never seen a full space (E 40).<br>
> On their site[1], the Flemish Agency for Roads and
Traffic (AWV) consistently uses no space for both local and E
refs. So I'd be inclined to say it's without space.<br>
><br>
>> I see that most of int_ref is with space and ref and
nat_ref without? But not always...<br>
> A few years ago, a French mapper came along and
mechanically edited int_refs in Belgium. I asked them to stop
but their changes were never fully reverted, so there are
still int_refs with a space in Belgium.<br>
> I think it would be safe to remove the spaces
mechanically, as it would actually be reverting an earlier
unauthorized mechanical edit. What do you think?<br>
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> [1] <a href="https://wegenenverkeer.be/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wegenenverkeer.be/</a><br>
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> Cheers,<br>
> Ruben<br>
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