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<p>First of all, a short introduction. Based on discussion in chat, we 
feel it'd be good to open up about what's discussed in the Riot (or IRC)
 chat channel, and distribute a summary of it (on a weekly basis) 
through forum and mailinglist. For now this is a one-man-operation, 
we'll see how it evolves over time.</p><p>Input/feedback/extended discussion can be had through talk-be, the riot channel or the belgian subsection of the <a href="http://openstreetmap.org">openstreetmap.org</a> fora.<br></p>

<div>(Note: I'm fully aware I'm probably a highly 'unknown' person to many people within this mailinglist. I've talked through trying to do this with Joost, and was met with his approval. If anyone has questions about me or my part in this, do let me know.) <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
<div id="gmail-magicdomid2" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-b gmail-u"><b><u>Monday 10/12/2018</u></b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid3" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid4" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Glenn informs about how to map a 'tractorsluis' (physical construction to allow tractors to pass, but not normal cars).</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid5" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dsump_buster">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dsump_buster</a></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid6" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid7" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">bxl-forever asks about how to map a certain type of barrier/fence.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid8" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">fence_type = railing seems the best fit (</span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fence_type">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fence_type</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> )</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid9" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid10" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Seppe points out there's a Mapillary grant program for camera's.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid11" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Requires 50k+ uploaded pictures to be taken into consideration. </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid12" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrPJcRGlh_FQCQCuZkk0tCK9317odk5RYeYfI2UruCzJW31Q/viewform">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrPJcRGlh_FQCQCuZkk0tCK9317odk5RYeYfI2UruCzJW31Q/viewform</a></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid13" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid14" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Jakka suggests supplying a basic simple template using osm-be tiles to implement a map into a website.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid15" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Most agree this would be good, issue created on the osmbe-website github.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid16" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid17" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid18" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-b gmail-u"><b><u>Tuesday 11/12/2018</u></b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid19" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid20" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Timcouwelier points out tiles are loading very slow,.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid21" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Escada confirms there's indeed issues, linking to the status page (</span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Platform_Status">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Platform_Status</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> )</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid22" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid23" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Jakka asks about how to map mobil telephone antennae attached to power towers.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid24" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Lionel_giard replies </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>'you only use communication:mobile_phone/radio/...=yes/no for the transmission equipment. The others tags are all for the structure. '</i></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid25" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid26" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid27" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-b gmail-u"><b><u>Wednesday 12/12/2018</u></b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid28" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid29" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Timcouwelier asks about tagging suggestions for an entrace ramp to a hospital with an overhead roof.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid30" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Tagging as a bridge seems an option, but would not match with using 'tunnel' for the covered part under the building + it's rendered overly heavy. Consensus is to split the ramp and mark an  'incline = up' and 'incline = down', but to not  add percentage as it's unknown.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid31" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/incline#values">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/incline#values</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> apparantly shows 2 uses for 'incline = steep_as_hell'</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid32" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid33" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Lionel_giard ask about how to map an 'internaat' (living quarters at school for students not going home during the week).</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid34" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">This is a recurring question, but there's nothing beyond building = residential. However, it should still clarify sufficient in combination with amenity = school around it.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid35" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid36" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Timcouwelier asks about options in Overpass Turbo: building on a query that selects all ways based on having a node last touched by a given user, is there an option to do that for TWO users and style them differently?</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid37" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Joost offers a workaround through mapcontrib, by using two layers with a different query, and working with two different styles.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid38" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid39" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">s8evq asks about possible missing attribution to OSM in the maps used by <a href="http://postnl.be">postnl.be</a>. </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid40" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Contact is made based on the following input by Joost:</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid41" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>    If you want to deal with it yourself, add it to this list and write them a message: </i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i gmail-url"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Websites#List_2"><i>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Websites#List_2</i></a></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid42" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid43" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">A reply from wegspotter to a question by Glenn on 'slow roads', raises discussion on how to deal with getting 'complete' info, as the requirements for the vicinal ref ( </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> ) requires info that's not visible possible to retrieve in the field.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid44" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid45" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-b gmail-u"><b><u>Thursday 13/12/2018</u></b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid46" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid47" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Discussion on the vicinal roads continues.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid48" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Neither atlas number, the vicinal_type (sentier vs chemin) can be found without external sources.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid49" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Tim re-links the WMS for the atlas for most provinces, but before editing them into the wiki, Joost plans to check to what extent they are 'within license' to use as a source. Suggestion is made (by himself) to remind him from time to time not to forget about this.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid50" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid51" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Discussion on the wiki status for the vicinal road tagging, raises issues about communication of such wiki edits, where escada points out ideally issues like that should get picked up either in riot channel or through the mailing list. Timcouwelier adds that ideally, to keep discussion / progress / knowledge / information spread widely, it'd probably be a good idea to created a weekly digest of what's discussed in the riot channel, both for later reference but also to open up the discussions with those not actively reading the channel.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid52" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid53" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">That in mind, timcouwelier creates a framapad to start taking notes for a weekly digest, to be sent to talk-be, and writes up a first prelimary version for this week.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid54" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid55" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Lionel_giard asks about rendering status - it's still down, and there seem to be more issues with the Amsterdam tileserver.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid56" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid57" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Juminet announces an OpenStreetMap Arlon meetup  (</span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://www.meetup.com/nl-NL/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/257183572/">https://www.meetup.com/nl-NL/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/257183572/</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> ) and informs about adding it to the osm-be calendar and maptime, or to be told how to do it. It appears creating a PR (pull request) here gets the job done:   </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://github.com/osmbe/website/tree/master/_posts/events">https://github.com/osmbe/website/tree/master/_posts/events</a></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid58" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid59" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Joost suggests a revert of changes by this user: </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NTSB/">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NTSB/</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> and asks for assistance in doing so. Midgard helps out.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid60" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid61" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Suggestion is made that - if tileservers remain having issues - osm-be or osm-fr tiles can be used, which in turn raises questions on their update frequency. Jonathan explains that currently the osm-be tiles are updated approximately once a month, but the process (mostly starting/stopping) the rendering server is a manual process. He intends to keep a closer watch in 2019, to shorten update cycles.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid62" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid63" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Jakka points out there's a new source of incoming 'notes', generated through </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="http://amenagements-cyclables.fr/fr/contributions/5871">http://amenagements-cyclables.fr/fr/contributions/5871</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> , often low quality. Joost will try to get in touch with the app devs. </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid64" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">As a side question, Tim asks where Jakka tracks notes (through a map or a feed). Jakka responds with his source feed (</span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Belgium">http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Belgium</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> )</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid65" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid66" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-b gmail-u"><b><u>Friday 14/12/2018</u></b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid67" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid68" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Tim has contacted the city of Roeselare to point out their google maps 'map page' isn't working, suggesting the use of OSM instead.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid69" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid70" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">The discussion on vicinal roads continues, with some background on them, legal status and such.  Tagging should be tackled on two levels: the 'designation' tag and the tags for the vicinal roads.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid71" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid72" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">For designation, wegspotter proposes this:</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid73" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">    </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid74" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">So for designation in Flanders & Brussels, we have basically 3 statutes. </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid75" class="gmail-ace-line"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1"><li><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>designation=vicinal_road</i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> (it appears in the atlas or in modifiyng documents)</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid76" class="gmail-ace-line"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1"><li><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>designation=communal_road_ss</i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> (it is property of the municipality & it is destinied for public use & it does not appear in the atlas of vicinal roads)</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid77" class="gmail-ace-line"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1"><li><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>designation=right_of_way_ss </i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">(it is a public right of way, but does not show up in the atlas of vicinal roads</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid78" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">In Wallonia, you only have one category designation=communal_road (without the ss, since the Flemish/Brussels situation is stricter</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid79" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid80" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid81" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">By extension, for the vicinal roads we'd come to this: (based on an example picture by escada)</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid82" class="gmail-ace-line"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1"><li><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>name = Speecaertweg</i></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid83" class="gmail-ace-line"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1"><li><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>vicinal_ref = Voetweg 44 </i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">(yes with the Voetweg --> because we also add N/A/E)</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid84" class="gmail-ace-line"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1"><li><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>official_vicinal_ref</i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> = SMB_44_1 (usually the ref that can only be found in documents, gets 'official', there is already an official_name and official_ref that have the same purpose).</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid85" class="gmail-ace-line"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1"><li><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>designation=vicinal</i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> (Flanders) or </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>designation </i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">= communal (Wallonia)l.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid86" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid87" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Plan of action is for wegspotter to make the required wiki edits for the vicinal roads tagging scheme, communicatie / discuss through riot/forum/talk-be mailing and then start applying it. As a second stage, an attempt can be made to formalise the </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>designation = *</i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> tagging on a wider level, but to not let that hold back the (smaller) argument on how we tag vicinal roads in belgium. Escada refers to his imagery available for demo images to implement in the wiki, pietervdvn explains how to use the images in wiki edits.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid88" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid89" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Related to the argument, Wegspotter also shared a document on slow roads / vicinal roads and their (legal) statuses.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid90" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid91" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Pietervdvn informs he's hosting a session with Westtoer (provincial tourism agency for West-Flanders), and asks if any topics in specific should be stressed towards this target group. Tim points out that 'ensuring the source data they proces is within license for using for OSM'.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid92" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid93" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Some discussion is raised on 'duplicate tagging', more specifically 'manually adding tags for something that is implicitly a consequence of other tags'. Glen refers to this page: ( </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Belgium">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Belgium</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> ) and points out only that given the rules have some </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>implicit</i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> consequences, you should only map the exceptions through </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>explicit</i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> tagging.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid94" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid95" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Wegspotter asks if 'tracktype' can also be applied to paths. It's countered tracktype should be considered strictly for use on 'tracks'.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid96" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid97" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Tim asks about tagging suggestions for an indoor building for sports.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid98" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Doudou suggests leisure = sports_centre, escada suggests building = sports_hall (as the latter implies more directly to the building rather then the broader site)</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid99" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid100" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Some tracing back to earlier discussions on street names happens:</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid101" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">- Joost received feedback on the spelling over Breeërweg  (which is in GRB as Breeerweg). They agree it's technically incorrect, but that is like that officially and the municipality sticks to it, so they follow that version.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid102" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">- Reference is made to the equally (technically incorrect) spelling for street names in Vilvoorde, which in GRB have a different format then what ground truth (street signs) show.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid103" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Suggestion is for those cases to add a</span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i> note="the name is not the official name but we chose to following street names as used on traffic signs, not the official notation" . </i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Note: as this point that is merely a suggestion.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid104" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid105" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid106" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-b gmail-u"><b><u>Saturday 17/12/2018</u></b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid107" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid108" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Escada picks up on a question from Joost the night before:</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid109" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>adding access=no to a highway=cycleway that has bicylce=yes: that seems unwanted, no? </i></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid110" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">His reply refers to </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Belgium">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Belgium</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> and states that mostly the difference you can have, tends to be in the nature of mopeds being 'permissive' or not.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid111" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Jakka adds to it by suggestion to stick to moped_a, moped_b and moped_p as keys rather then their capitalized versions. Normally the use of capital letters is restricted to where names require them.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid112" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid113" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Wegspotter refers to having updated this page:</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid114" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads&wteswitched=1#Trage_wegen_Inventory">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads&wteswitched=1#Trage_wegen_Inventory</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> and suggest proofreading / input.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid115" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> As a side point, rendering of tracks based on access types gets discussed.  Escada adds that to this day, the default rendering is mostly car-oriënted, but that the location to make suggestions is here:  </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> . He also links to two related issues.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid116" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid117" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> Joost announces having been elected into the OSMF board, with a round of congratulations all around to celebrate the news. Some discussion about the voting (and the nature of the voting system used here, and other systems in other contexts) follows. </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid118" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid119" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> Ubipo asks for help with turn lane relations and the JOSM plugin for it. Midgard replies it's not common practice in Belgium to use them, as we go for </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i>turn:lanes </i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">tagging. Given ubipo was mostly trying to fix the broken relation, and the suggested tagging is in place, the relation gets removed.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid120" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid121" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid122" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-b gmail-u"><b><u>Sunday 18/12/2018</u></b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid123" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid124" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Jakka asks about ta default mail template to point out missing attribution in webpages, given it's lacking here:</span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-i"><i> </i></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://vrijeparking.be/vindparking">https://vrijeparking.be/vindparking</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> . s8evq points here: </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Joost_schouppe/Coprightbrieven#Gouden_Gids">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Joost_schouppe/Coprightbrieven#Gouden_Gids</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> , and Jakka sent the e-mail.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid125" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid126" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Joost asks about these marker stones he found in Hallerbos ( </span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh gmail-url"><a href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/eHuqsztJJoSg1GMh9">https://photos.app.goo.gl/eHuqsztJJoSg1GMh9</a></span><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh"> ), which he assumes to be old border marker stones. No input is given beyond 'that's what we would get as well'</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid127" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid128" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-a-z67zgcz79zfz73zz82zjugz71z20deh">Escada points out he's having issues with user BHiko's work. It looks like it's a (manual) import of data for networks found through knooppuntnet, and in the proces deleting/replacing network data known to be correct. The user seems however difficult to reach, so if anyone has a somewhat direct line to the person, please let us know. Requesting a block through DWG is at this point an option to consider.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid129" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div>

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