<div dir="ltr"><div>I'm with 'second marc' on this one - I chose to map ground truth.<br><br></div><div>In part because that's generally 'how things should be mapped', in part because otherwise we receive criticism from avid users, who are highly annoyed to get stuck / at dead ends because they saw a path on their map and it's nowhere to be found.<br><br></div><div>While I fully support efforts to keep such paths functional / accessible / known to the public, mapping them when they aren't to be found in the field does not seem like the way go.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op wo 21 aug. 2019 om 10:46 schreef Marc Gemis <<a href="mailto:marc.gemis@gmail.com">marc.gemis@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Seems my opinion is different from the other Marc.<br>
<br>
AFAIK, the OSM consensus is to map what is on the ground, in this case<br>
only the by-pass. You could keep the "official" path, with some tag<br>
disused:highway or so, but IMHO, that is just clutter that makes it<br>
harder for others to edit. When your local council does not bother to<br>
re-instantiate the official path, it will soon loose that status, not?<br>
<br>
As far as the removal of the "official" path is concerned, it probably<br>
depends on what "official" means. If it is e.g. in the Atlas der<br>
Buurtwegen and was not officially removed by the council, you should<br>
contact your council and describe the problem. I did that once and the<br>
day after, the track was open to the public again.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:59 PM Francois Gerin <<a href="mailto:francois.gerin@gmail.com" target="_blank">francois.gerin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Here is a probably subjective issue, that has certainly already been<br>
> discussed, but I cant' find a search engine for the mailing archives.<br>
><br>
> Problem:<br>
> It's very frequent, in Belgium and certainly in many places, that a<br>
> private or farmer steals a footway because he dislikes people pass there<br>
> or just to extend his field for free.<br>
> The **official** path is then often no more visible and, sometime, there<br>
> may have an **unofficial** by-pass in the area.<br>
> The official trace MUST be kept because, well... it is official. :-)<br>
> And also because the by-pass MAY disappear at any time.<br>
><br>
> Envisioned solutions:<br>
> 1. Keep official path only. =bad because it does not reflect the<br>
> reality (which may stand for many years!)<br>
> 2. Delete the official one, draw the by-pass. =rejected, because the<br>
> official must be kept, or we may loose both<br>
> 3. Keep both, but flag the hidden one with trail_visibility tag. =best<br>
> option found up to now, which seems accepted widely+officially<br>
><br>
> Questions:<br>
> A. Is there any OSM consensus for a solution, at the global/worldwide<br>
> community level?<br>
> B. If not, is there any Belgian community consensus?<br>
> C. If not, is there any widely accepted option?<br>
> D. If not, is there any better solution than option 3?<br>
><br>
> (Side issue: the current rendering on OSM does not express that this<br>
> path is poorly visible. But at least the flag is there for other<br>
> rendering tools/layouts.)<br>
><br>
> Two examples I had to do:<br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/700172645" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/700172645</a><br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/629096505" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/629096505</a><br>
><br>
> Thank you in advance for any pointer/doc/wiki/consensus! :-)<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> François<br>
> (aka fgerin on OSM)<br>
> (aka fge1 on balnam)<br>
><br>
><br>
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