<div dir="auto"><div>For me this is a case of not mapping for the renderer. Vehicle=no is what the sign means, so is what should be used. If you look at what the wiki says for access=no: "<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui",roboto,lato,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The </span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-size:1em;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.6;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background:rgb(238,238,255);color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:16px;vertical-align:baseline;background:none;text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(107,75,161)">access</a>=<a style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:16px;vertical-align:baseline;background:none">no</a></tt><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui",roboto,lato,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> tag indicates that the object is not to be used by the general public, with stronger interdiction than the </span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-size:1em;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.6;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background:rgb(238,238,255);color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:16px;vertical-align:baseline;background:none;text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(107,75,161)">access</a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dprivate" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:16px;vertical-align:baseline;background:none;text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(107,75,161)">private</a></tt><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui",roboto,lato,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> tag."</span> [1] it is clear that this is not what a simple traffic sign implies. My rule of thumb is putting access=no if I consider being shot because of being there a possibility.</div><div dir="auto">Conclusion: fully in favour of vehicle=no.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">[1] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dno">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dno</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 15 Oct 2019, 21:22 Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be, <<a href="mailto:talk-be@openstreetmap.org">talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
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Op zaterdag 12 oktober 2019 21:01:06 CEST schreef s8evq <<a href="mailto:s8evqq@runbox.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">s8evqq@runbox.com</a>>:
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<div dir="ltr">>On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:24:35 +0000 (UTC), Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:talk-be@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Thanks Stijn for taking the time to comment.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>> - An interesting change is the one from access=no/destination to vehicle=no/destination for the<br clear="none">>> C5-sign, which I support, because it's more correct. But a disadvantage is that e.g. access=no/destination<br clear="none">>> shows on the map, but vehicle=no/destination not. Would the proposal to treat access=no/destination and<br clear="none">>> vehicle=no/destination equally on the map make any chance?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>On what map does it not display? I'm personally not in favor of using both tags. That makes it very confusing.<br clear="none"><div><br></div><div>A road with access=destination has grey dots: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29350445" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29350445</a></div><div dir="ltr">A road with vehicle=destination has no grey dots: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26496960/" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26496960</a></div><div dir="ltr"><span>A road with access=no has grey stripes: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/71578088" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/71578088</a></span><br></div><div dir="ltr">A road with vehicle=no has no grey stripes: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/28967486" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/28967486</a></div><div dir="ltr">But perhaps I'd rather like to see all roads with limited access (access/vehicle=destination or vehicle=no) the same way and roads with no (public) access the same (access=no/private).</div><div dir="ltr"><span>I'm also not in favor of using both tags.</span><br></div><div><br></div>StijnRR</div>
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