<div dir="ltr">Looks good. Usually there is a first come, first served rule. There is no way to reserve a spot from 'remote'. When you arrive, you write your name in a register.<div><br></div><div>If the person responsible for the site passes by later that night and finds 5 tents and 4 registrations, the tent that wasn't registered and the last tent that was registered will have to leave and find another spot to camp. (officially, at least, it may depend on the discretion of the warden)</div><div><br></div><div>Or alternatively, the warden may find that the first one that arrived are already there for more than the allowed number of nights.</div><div><br></div><div>I think in practice the ones that are too many would simply be asked to leave the next morning. Possibly also depending on their mode of transport and how far away from home they are. In the case of the ones in Meerdaalwoud, you might be told to go to De Kluis and camp there for a small fee.</div><div><br></div><div>Jo</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 1:52 PM Pieter Vander Vennet <<a href="mailto:pietervdvn@posteo.net">pietervdvn@posteo.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hey everyone,<br>
<br>
This is a very funny coincidence... Hack Your Future will do a
project on paalcampings as well!<br>
I will send out a general mail with more information about that
project later today. We are in touch with <a href="http://bivakzones.be" target="_blank">bivakzones.be</a> and will
be discussing how they can be added to OSM, with what tags and if
we can use their site as a source. More details about that will be
following later on. <br>
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<div>However, to prepare that project, I
would like to have a better tagging scheme for this as well (in
order to be able to get them all at once using overpass).<br>
<br>
After consulting the wiki, I do think that having the tags <b>'toursim=camp_site',
'camp_site=basic' and 'backcountry=yes'</b> would be the correct
tagging. The first indicates "an area without facilities where it
is legal to camp with tents". The second one is even closer to the
the concept of these bivouacs. At last, an additional
'motor_vehicles=no' makes it very explicit that cars and jeeps are
not welcome - even though the 'backcountry=yes' already implies
this.<br>
<br>
IMHO is the key 'impromtu=yes' antithetical to the concept of a
'paalkamping' - they indicate an <i>informal</i> place where
people could rest, e.g. when travelling through the country <i>with
their jeep... </i>This implies both motorized vehicles and
'camping in the wild', which is AFAIK illegal in Belgium.<br>
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<div><br>
And of course, there is a lot of additional tagging possible as
well.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
I've written a wiki page with an explanation, links and a proposal
for tagging. Please read them carefully. If you have extra
information and tagging that is still missing, feel free to add
this directly to the wiki page:
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Bivakzones" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Bivakzones</a><br>
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<div>On 29.12.19 17:47, Guy Vanvuchelen
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">De
bivakzone Het Vinne in Zoutleeuw heb ik aangepast volgens
de info van Jo<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Guy Vanvuchelen<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif" lang="NL">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif" lang="NL"> Jo [<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:winfixit@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 29 december 2019 15:53<br>
<b>Aan:</b> OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mappen van
paalcampings<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hallo Karel,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ik heb een paar jaar geleden deze
toegevoegd:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/222137187/history" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/222137187/history</a> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Die is onbereikbaar met de wagen. Ik
denk niet dat het feit dat hij op OpenStreetMap staat
ervoor zorgt dat hij overrompelt wordt.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In Tielt-Winge is er vorig jaar ook één
bijgekomen. Ik heb die wel op Mapillary, maar blijkbaar
heb ik 'm nog niet toegevoegd aan OSM.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jo <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM Karel
Adams <<a href="mailto:fa348739@skynet.be" target="_blank">fa348739@skynet.be</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Na enige aarzeling heb ik,
proberenderwijs, de paalcamping Arkadia in <br>
Muizen toegevoegd. Zie <br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7093111580#map=19/51.00354/4.54221" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7093111580#map=19/51.00354/4.54221</a><br>
<br>
Het zou me helemaal niet verbazen als de initiaftiefnemers
daarmee <br>
allesbehalve gelukikig waren, ik heb dan ook geschreven om
een en ander <br>
toe te lichten, en om goedkeuring te vragen. Want dit
soort initiatieven <br>
houdt graag een laag profiel, het allerlaatste dat men
daar wil is dat <br>
er iemand met een 4x4-superdeluxekampeerbus komt
binnengetuft. En dat <br>
houd ik best voor mogelijk, allicht zal er wel iemand
campinggidsen <br>
opmaken op basis van overpassqueries.<br>
<br>
Misschien toch beter maar terug verwijderen? Of welke tags
zouden er <br>
kunnen toegevoegd worden om het eigen karakter van zo'n
paalcamping <br>
duidelijk over te brengen? Iets van "access=???" of
"regulations=strict"?<br>
<br>
Over het concept van paalcampings kan men meer lezen op
o.a. <br>
<a href="http://www.bivakzone.be/" target="_blank">http://www.bivakzone.be/</a><br>
<br>
Karel<br>
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