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<div>Cool... I've browsed the bivakzone.be-website, a few camp sites
require to send an sms to the owner one day in advance or the day
itself - hence the option for reservation.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10.01.20 14:16, Jo wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Looks good. Usually there is a first come, first
served rule. There is no way to reserve a spot from 'remote'.
When you arrive, you write your name in a register.
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<div>If the person responsible for the site passes by later that
night and finds 5 tents and 4 registrations, the tent that
wasn't registered and the last tent that was registered will
have to leave and find another spot to camp. (officially, at
least, it may depend on the discretion of the warden)</div>
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<div>Or alternatively, the warden may find that the first one
that arrived are already there for more than the allowed
number of nights.</div>
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<div>I think in practice the ones that are too many would simply
be asked to leave the next morning. Possibly also depending on
their mode of transport and how far away from home they are.
In the case of the ones in Meerdaalwoud, you might be told to
go to De Kluis and camp there for a small fee.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 1:52
PM Pieter Vander Vennet <<a
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<div>Hey everyone,<br>
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This is a very funny coincidence... Hack Your Future will
do a project on paalcampings as well!<br>
I will send out a general mail with more information about
that project later today. We are in touch with <a
href="http://bivakzones.be" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bivakzones.be</a> and will be
discussing how they can be added to OSM, with what tags
and if we can use their site as a source. More details
about that will be following later on. <br>
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<div>However, to prepare that project, I would like to have
a better tagging scheme for this as well (in order to be
able to get them all at once using overpass).<br>
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After consulting the wiki, I do think that having the tags
<b>'toursim=camp_site', 'camp_site=basic' and
'backcountry=yes'</b> would be the correct tagging. The
first indicates "an area without facilities where it is
legal to camp with tents". The second one is even closer
to the the concept of these bivouacs. At last, an
additional 'motor_vehicles=no' makes it very explicit that
cars and jeeps are not welcome - even though the
'backcountry=yes' already implies this.<br>
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IMHO is the key 'impromtu=yes' antithetical to the concept
of a 'paalkamping' - they indicate an <i>informal</i>
place where people could rest, e.g. when travelling
through the country <i>with their jeep... </i>This
implies both motorized vehicles and 'camping in the wild',
which is AFAIK illegal in Belgium.<br>
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And of course, there is a lot of additional tagging
possible as well.<br>
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I've written a wiki page with an explanation, links and a
proposal for tagging. Please read them carefully. If you
have extra information and tagging that is still missing,
feel free to add this directly to the wiki page: <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Bivakzones"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Bivakzones</a><br>
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<div>On 29.12.19 17:47, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">De
bivakzone Het Vinne in Zoutleeuw heb ik aangepast
volgens de info van Jo</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Guy Vanvuchelen</span></p>
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lang="NL">Van:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"
lang="NL"> Jo [<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:winfixit@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 29 december 2019 15:53<br>
<b>Aan:</b> OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mappen van
paalcampings</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hallo Karel,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ik heb een paar jaar geleden
deze toegevoegd:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Die is onbereikbaar met de
wagen. Ik denk niet dat het feit dat hij op
OpenStreetMap staat ervoor zorgt dat hij
overrompelt wordt.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In Tielt-Winge is er vorig jaar
ook één bijgekomen. Ik heb die wel op Mapillary,
maar blijkbaar heb ik 'm nog niet toegevoegd aan
OSM.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM
Karel Adams <<a
href="mailto:fa348739@skynet.be" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fa348739@skynet.be</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Na enige aarzeling heb ik,
proberenderwijs, de paalcamping Arkadia in <br>
Muizen toegevoegd. Zie <br>
<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7093111580#map=19/51.00354/4.54221"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7093111580#map=19/51.00354/4.54221</a><br>
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Het zou me helemaal niet verbazen als de
initiaftiefnemers daarmee <br>
allesbehalve gelukikig waren, ik heb dan ook
geschreven om een en ander <br>
toe te lichten, en om goedkeuring te vragen. Want
dit soort initiatieven <br>
houdt graag een laag profiel, het allerlaatste dat
men daar wil is dat <br>
er iemand met een 4x4-superdeluxekampeerbus komt
binnengetuft. En dat <br>
houd ik best voor mogelijk, allicht zal er wel
iemand campinggidsen <br>
opmaken op basis van overpassqueries.<br>
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Misschien toch beter maar terug verwijderen? Of
welke tags zouden er <br>
kunnen toegevoegd worden om het eigen karakter van
zo'n paalcamping <br>
duidelijk over te brengen? Iets van "access=???"
of "regulations=strict"?<br>
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Over het concept van paalcampings kan men meer
lezen op o.a. <br>
<a href="http://www.bivakzone.be/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.bivakzone.be/</a><br>
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Karel<br>
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