<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>These tagging issues always make me uncomfortable :)</div><div><br></div><div>Against "use_sidepath" in this case:</div><div>- it's a trunk road, so no cycling anyway (Wouter)<br></div><div>- the cycle path can be seen as just a path that happens to be near the R4; it doesn't -really- have a relation with the road itself (escada on Riot)<br></div><div>- the confusion with the part that DOES have a cycle path shouldn't happen; that shouldn't be a trunk road! (Wouter)<br></div><div><br></div><div>In favour of the use_sidepath:</div><div>- it clearly shows there's an alternative</div><div>- there's several roads mapped as trunk in Belgium that do have a cycle path. Should we change all of them? And if we change our minds (or someone else just changes things again), then the cycling info might suddenly be useful again</div><div>- it makes it slightly easier to understand the situation when mapping</div><div><br></div><div>Since there is no clear opposition to use use_sidepath in this case, I think I'll change it to that.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Joost<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op do 9 apr. 2020 om 20:35 schreef Pieter Vander Vennet <<a href="mailto:pietervdvn@posteo.net">pietervdvn@posteo.net</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hey everyone,<br>
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We are doing a lot of cycle route planning. 'use_sidepath' is a
very clear hint to us and interpreted as 'don't use', in order to
force the cyclist over the cyclepath just next to it. So please,
do add them!<br>
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Mvg, Pieter<br>
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<div>On 09.04.20 12:27, Jo wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Since both the highway and the cycleway are
separate (mostly parallel) 'entities' in OSM, I think it does
make sense to use bicycle=use_sidepath. For routing purposes,
it's probably not needed, while editing in JOSM and for
highlighting using MapCSS it is handy to have the tags directly
on the objects they apply to.
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<div>Jo</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:00
PM Wouter Hamelinck <<a href="mailto:wouter.hamelinck@gmail.com" target="_blank">wouter.hamelinck@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div>All three are correct in my opinion. Tbh, I've never
really understood the use of use_sidepath. The only case
where it contains really helpful information for me is
when that alternative is not mapped. But then there is a
more efficient solution...</div>
<div>But I don't really have anything for or against any
of the options.</div>
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<div>The third option is correct, but is a little
uninformative, especially since you actually ARE
allowed to cycle on some parts of this same R4</div>
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<div>Isn't the first question here if they should be trunk
if you are allowed to cycle?</div>
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<div>wouter</div>
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vei."<br>
- Thor Heyerdahl</div>
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