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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I faced the same situation here. I sent the author a kind
message, telling this fight, even if fully justified, is not to
lead via OSM but via balnam.be (for the Wallonia part).</p>
<p>I got no reply, but pointing to an alternative for this justified
cause is probably something that can help the destinator to think
twice about it.</p>
<p>For the rest, I'm afraid if someone insists misusing OSM, the
only alternative is to open a litigation...</p>
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<p>NOTE: A few months ago, I sent a message on the current mailing
for a specific/particular case... Ways covered by cultures for a
few months every year, due to the farmers who do not respect the
public area.<br>
The conclusion was that there is clearly no ideal solution for
that case, we cannot update every path every day! => According
to me, this is an exception, based on the "common sense", to the
general rule "map what is visible". (The exception "common sens"
is also part of the OSM rules!!!)<br>
This exception is acceptable, according to me, due to its
particularity.<br>
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<p>Regards,<br>
François (user fgerin)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/08/20 08:20, Matthieu Gaillet
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:3075B498-9AF1-482F-AF57-F00A443E8611@gaillet.be">
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<div class="">Hi,</div>
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<div class="">Recently an user mapped a set of disappeared
“communal” or "vicinal” ways. By disappeared I mean they are
physically absolutely not existent on the ground. They were
either plowed or constructions were built right on them.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I believe it goes against the general rule that
states that one might only map what’s visible on the field.
Additionally the mapping itself was poorly done and the source
mentioned was not relevant.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Using the tag <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility"
title="Key:trail visibility" style="caret-color: rgb(34, 34,
34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 14px;
white-space: nowrap; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255);
text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128);
background-image: none;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">[</a><bdi
style="caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34);
font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 14px;
background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255); white-space: nowrap;"
class=""><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility"
title="Key:trail visibility" style="text-decoration: none;
color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none;
background-position: initial initial; background-repeat:
initial initial;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">trail]_visibility</a></bdi><span
style="caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34);
font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 14px;
background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255);" class="">=</span><bdi
style="color: rgb(165, 88, 88); background-image: none;
background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255); font-family: monospace,
monospace; font-size: 14px;" class=""><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:trail_visibility%3Dno&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Tag:trail visibility=no (page does not
exist)" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(165, 88,
88); background-image: none;" moz-do-not-send="true">no</a></bdi> is
not an option here since the user decided to map a unmaintained
track road (with width = 4m !) that doesn’t offer such option.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">He denied reverting the changeset, arguing that
mapping those paths was a way to put pressure on the Commune and
the owner in a discussion about the openness and accessibility
of surrounding paths for the general public. He promised to
delete the date once the case will be closed.</div>
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<div class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">Les sentiers et chemins que
j'ai repris sur OSM sont légalement toujours existants et
personne n'est en droit d'empêcher quiconque de les utiliser,
de les réhabiliter ou de les débroussailler... c'est une façon
de mettre la pression sur le riverain... dès que des
alternatives auront été créées et un bon accord conclu,
j'effacerai les données au profit des alternatives qui auront
été proposées.</blockquote>
<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">The changesets : </div>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927383"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927383<br
class="">
</a>
<div class=""><a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927894"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927894</a></div>
<div class=""><a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927825"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927825</a></div>
<div class=""><a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927566"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927566</a></div>
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<div class="">What do you think ? I believe that’s not a good way
of doing things (I don’t believe in maptivism in this situation)
but can’t really find a clear position of the community about
this particular case.</div>
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<div class="">I don’t want to start a fight with that user because
he’s really doing a great job at preserving the right of use of
those heritage vicinal ways by confronting the Communes against
those unfair owners. I would like to show him some string
arguments to explain him why his initiative is not good for the
community (If that’s the case).</div>
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<div class="">Thanks for sharing your thoughts. </div>
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<div>Matthieu Gaillet</div>
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