<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Recently an user mapped a set of disappeared “communal” or "vicinal” ways. By disappeared I mean they are physically absolutely not existent on the ground. They were either plowed or constructions were built right on them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I believe it goes against the general rule that states that one might only map what’s visible on the field. Additionally the mapping itself was poorly done and the source mentioned was not relevant.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Using the tag <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility" title="Key:trail visibility" style="caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 14px; white-space: nowrap; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255); text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none;" class="">[</a><bdi style="caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255); white-space: nowrap;" class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility" title="Key:trail visibility" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">trail]_visibility</a></bdi><span style="caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255);" class="">=</span><bdi style="color: rgb(165, 88, 88); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 14px;" class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:trail_visibility%3Dno&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Tag:trail visibility=no (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(165, 88, 88); background-image: none;">no</a></bdi> is not an option here since the user decided to map a unmaintained track road (with width = 4m !) that doesn’t offer such option.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">He denied reverting the changeset, arguing that mapping those paths was a way to put pressure on the Commune and the owner in a discussion about the openness and accessibility of surrounding paths for the general public. He promised to delete the date once the case will be closed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Les sentiers et chemins que j'ai repris sur OSM sont légalement toujours existants et personne n'est en droit d'empêcher quiconque de les utiliser, de les réhabiliter ou de les débroussailler... c'est une façon de mettre la pression sur le riverain... dès que des alternatives auront été créées et un bon accord conclu, j'effacerai les données au profit des alternatives qui auront été proposées.</blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">The changesets : </div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927383" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927383<br class=""></a><div class=""><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927894" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927894</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927825" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927825</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927566" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88927566</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What do you think ? I believe that’s not a good way of doing things (I don’t believe in maptivism in this situation) but can’t really find a clear position of the community about this particular case.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t want to start a fight with that user because he’s really doing a great job at preserving the right of use of those heritage vicinal ways by confronting the Communes against those unfair owners. I would like to show him some string arguments to explain him why his initiative is not good for the community (If that’s the case).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for sharing your thoughts. </div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></div><div class=""><div class="">
<div>Matthieu Gaillet</div>
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