<div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Yes, I'll look at those as well.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jo</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 1:00 PM Yves bxl-forever <<a href="mailto:bxl-forever@linuxmail.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bxl-forever@linuxmail.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
Thanks for this.<br>
<br>
@Polyglot, I saw you updated numbered cycle routes (1 to 12).<br>
The Brussels cycle route network also has 7 routes with letters. I suppose we should apply the same change.<br>
A small circle: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/237027" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/237027</a><br>
B middle circle: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/116569" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/116569</a><br>
C large circle: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7418111" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7418111</a> <br>
CC: Canal/Kanaal: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1119347" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1119347</a><br>
SZ Senne/Zenne valley: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/116611" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/116611</a><br>
MM Maalbeek valley: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/114235" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/114235</a><br>
PP (King’s Palace): <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2133184" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2133184</a><br>
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Cheers.<br>
Yves<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 10:40:29 +0200<br>
Jo <<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> I had a look at them after downloading them using Overpass API and started<br>
> making them continuous where they were 'broken'. So I went ahead and also<br>
> converted them all to rcn.<br>
> <br>
> Jo<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Jo <<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Hi Joost,<br>
> ><br>
> > In Flanders it depended more on topology than anything else. We used:<br>
> ><br>
> > lcn: for loops<br>
> > rcn: for the numbered node networks, this logic was taken to rwn and rhn<br>
> > later on<br>
> > ncn: for long routes going from A to B (LFx) and then later for the Fxxx<br>
> > cycle highways<br>
> > icn: for European routes going from A to B<br>
> ><br>
> > In Brussels rcn doesn't seem to be used and those routes are topologically<br>
> > more similar to the numbered routes system used in Flanders and Wallonia.<br>
> ><br>
> > I agree with you that it makes more sense to tag them as rcn.<br>
> ><br>
> > Jo<br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:14 AM joost schouppe <<a href="mailto:joost.schouppe@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">joost.schouppe@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> >> Hi,<br>
> >><br>
> >> I was always a little confused that the regional cycle network is mapped<br>
> >> as lcn in Brussels. Since this network is organized by Brussels-the-region,<br>
> >> not Brussels-the-city, it seems logical that it should have the rcn tag. In<br>
> >> fact, more so than the Flemish cycle node network, which is composed of<br>
> >> several networks and almost by coincidence covers the region.<br>
> >><br>
> >> This is also what we say in the wiki:<br>
> >><br>
> >> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute</a><br>
> >><br>
> >> But the example given there (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623</a><br>
> >> I believe), is now mapped as an lcn.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Looking at the edit history, it looks like there was a minor edit war<br>
> >> about this, where user RoRay repeatedly changed it from rcn to lcn<br>
> >> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976</a><br>
> >> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663</a><br>
> >> (RoRay is still mapping, still using the not-very helpful default<br>
> >> changeset description "update")<br>
> >><br>
> >> User BenoitL tried to change it back to rcn (with much better changeset<br>
> >> comments :) - <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599</a>), but I<br>
> >> guess he gave up. Polyglot later seems to have mapped most of the other<br>
> >> routes; my guess is he just went with lcn because that's how the others<br>
> >> were mapped.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Apart from the network not showing up when it should on some maps, it<br>
> >> doesn't really matter much. However, bxl-forever is now mapping -actual-<br>
> >> lcn routes in the Brussels region, operated by Anderlecht municipality.<br>
> >> Example: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325</a><br>
> >> Putting both types of routes in the same level is just wrong IMHO.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Can anyone provide some more context? Based on my own research, I'd<br>
> >> suggest we simply retag all the regional operated routes from lcn to rcn.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Best,<br>
> >> Joost Schouppe<br>
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