<div dir="ltr">I had a look at them after downloading them using Overpass API and started making them continuous where they were 'broken'. So I went ahead and also converted them all to rcn.<div><br></div><div>Jo</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Jo <<a href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Joost,<div><br></div><div>In Flanders it depended more on topology than anything else. We used:</div><div><br></div><div>lcn: for loops</div><div>rcn: for the numbered node networks, this logic was taken to rwn and rhn later on</div><div>ncn: for long routes going from A to B (LFx) and then later for the Fxxx cycle highways</div><div>icn: for European routes going from A to B</div><div><br></div><div>In Brussels rcn doesn't seem to be used and those routes are topologically more similar to the numbered routes system used in Flanders and Wallonia.</div><div><br></div><div>I agree with you that it makes more sense to tag them as rcn.</div><div><br></div><div>Jo </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:14 AM joost schouppe <<a href="mailto:joost.schouppe@gmail.com" target="_blank">joost.schouppe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I was always a little confused that the regional cycle network is mapped as lcn in Brussels. Since this network is organized by Brussels-the-region, not Brussels-the-city, it seems logical that it should have the rcn tag. In fact, more so than the Flemish cycle node network, which is composed of several networks and almost by coincidence covers the region.</div><div><br></div><div>This is also what we say in the wiki:</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute</a></div><div><br></div><div>But the example given there (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623</a> I believe), is now mapped as an lcn.</div><div><br></div><div>Looking at the edit history, it looks like there was a minor edit war about this, where user RoRay repeatedly changed it from rcn to lcn<br></div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976</a>
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<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663</a></div><div>(RoRay is still mapping, still using the not-very helpful default changeset description "update")<br></div><div><br></div><div>User BenoitL tried to change it back to rcn (with much better changeset comments :) - <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599</a>), but I guess he gave up. Polyglot later seems to have mapped most of the other routes; my guess is he just went with lcn because that's how the others were mapped.</div><div><br></div><div>Apart from the network not showing up when it should on some maps, it doesn't really matter much. However, bxl-forever is now mapping -actual- lcn routes in the Brussels region, operated by Anderlecht municipality. Example: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325</a></div><div>Putting both types of routes in the same level is just wrong IMHO.</div><div><br></div><div>Can anyone provide some more context? Based on my own research, I'd suggest we simply retag all the regional operated routes from lcn to rcn.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best, <br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Joost Schouppe</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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