<div>                <br>And don't forget the superroutes. They're still lcn.<br><br>StijnRR<br><br>            </div>            <div class="yahoo_quoted" style="margin:10px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex;">                        <div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">                                <div>                    On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 04:55:24 PM GMT+2, Jo <winfixit@gmail.com> wrote:                </div>                <div><br></div>                <div><br></div>                <div><div id="yiv6672135122"><div><div><div dir="ltr">Yes, I'll look at those as well.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Jo</div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6672135122yqt0135796920" id="yiv6672135122yqt47496"><div class="yiv6672135122gmail_quote"><div class="yiv6672135122gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 1:00 PM Yves bxl-forever <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bxl-forever@linuxmail.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:bxl-forever@linuxmail.org">bxl-forever@linuxmail.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv6672135122gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">Hello,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Thanks for this.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">@Polyglot, I saw you updated numbered cycle routes (1 to 12).<br clear="none">The Brussels cycle route network also has 7 routes with letters.  I suppose we should apply the same change.<br clear="none">A small circle: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/237027">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/237027</a><br clear="none">B middle circle: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/116569">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/116569</a><br clear="none">C large circle: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7418111">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7418111</a> <br clear="none">CC: Canal/Kanaal: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1119347">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1119347</a><br clear="none">SZ Senne/Zenne valley: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/116611">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/116611</a><br clear="none">MM Maalbeek valley: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/114235">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/114235</a><br clear="none">PP (King’s Palace): <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2133184">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2133184</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Cheers.<br clear="none">Yves<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 10:40:29 +0200<br clear="none">Jo <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> I had a look at them after downloading them using Overpass API and started<br clear="none">> making them continuous where they were 'broken'. So I went ahead and also<br clear="none">> converted them all to rcn.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Jo<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Jo <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com">winfixit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > Hi Joost,<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > In Flanders it depended more on topology than anything else. We used:<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > lcn: for loops<br clear="none">> > rcn: for the numbered node networks, this logic was taken to rwn and rhn<br clear="none">> > later on<br clear="none">> > ncn: for long routes going from A to B (LFx) and then later for the Fxxx<br clear="none">> > cycle highways<br clear="none">> > icn: for European routes going from A to B<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > In Brussels rcn doesn't seem to be used and those routes are topologically<br clear="none">> > more similar to the numbered routes system used in Flanders and Wallonia.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > I agree with you that it makes more sense to tag them as rcn.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Jo<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:14 AM joost schouppe <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joost.schouppe@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:joost.schouppe@gmail.com">joost.schouppe@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">> > wrote:<br clear="none">> >  <br clear="none">> >> Hi,<br clear="none">> >><br clear="none">> >> I was always a little confused that the regional cycle network is mapped<br clear="none">> >> as lcn in Brussels. Since this network is organized by Brussels-the-region,<br clear="none">> >> not Brussels-the-city, it seems logical that it should have the rcn tag. In<br clear="none">> >> fact, more so than the Flemish cycle node network, which is composed of<br clear="none">> >> several networks and almost by coincidence covers the region.<br clear="none">> >><br clear="none">> >> This is also what we say in the wiki:<br clear="none">> >><br clear="none">> >> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute</a><br clear="none">> >><br clear="none">> >> But the example given there (<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623</a><br clear="none">> >> I believe), is now mapped as an lcn.<br clear="none">> >><br clear="none">> >> Looking at the edit history, it looks like there was a minor edit war<br clear="none">> >> about this, where user RoRay repeatedly changed it from rcn to lcn<br clear="none">> >> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976</a><br clear="none">> >> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663</a><br clear="none">> >> (RoRay is still mapping, still using the not-very helpful default<br clear="none">> >> changeset description "update")<br clear="none">> >><br clear="none">> >> User BenoitL tried to change it back to rcn (with much better changeset<br clear="none">> >> comments :) - <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599</a>), but I<br clear="none">> >> guess he gave up. Polyglot later seems to have mapped most of the other<br clear="none">> >> routes; my guess is he just went with lcn because that's how the others<br clear="none">> >> were mapped.<br clear="none">> >><br clear="none">> >> Apart from the network not showing up when it should on some maps, it<br clear="none">> >> doesn't really matter much. However, bxl-forever is now mapping -actual-<br clear="none">> >> lcn routes in the Brussels region, operated by Anderlecht municipality.<br clear="none">> >> Example: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325</a><br clear="none">> >> Putting both types of routes in the same level is just wrong IMHO.<br clear="none">> >><br clear="none">> >> Can anyone provide some more context? Based on my own research, I'd<br clear="none">> >> suggest we simply retag all the regional operated routes from lcn to rcn.<br clear="none">> >><br clear="none">> >> Best,<br clear="none">> >> Joost Schouppe<br clear="none">> >> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> >> Talk-be mailing list<br clear="none">> >> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org">Talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none">> >> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be</a><br clear="none">> >>  <br clear="none">> >  <br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Talk-be mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org">Talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be</a><br clear="none"></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div class="yqt0135796920" id="yqt35046">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Talk-be mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org">Talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be</a><br clear="none"></div></div>            </div>                </div>