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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL-BE link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Following some open notes [1] in the Antwerp port area, I have some questions about mapping in industrial environments:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst style='margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-GB>In general, how should we handle features within (semi)public to private industrial zones: e.g. port areas, big company plants etc. ? Those features (ways, buildings, parkings, infrastructure) often have varying degrees of “public” access or visibility (aerial imagery and/or public signposts, media…), and range of usefulness for a specific or general public, e.g. orientation, routing, emergency situations… <br>I suppose it is basically up to the local mapper’s judgment if and to what extent features get mapped. But maybe some of you have more experience in this matter or can point to clear guidelines or “best practice” examples for future reference?<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-GB>For example this specific note [2] about how to map terrain blocks/sectors (“blokvelden”) within a major industrial plant (BASF). Questions arise:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-GB>Should these be included in the OSM database in the first place?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-GB>If so: only after asking and informing the company about permission, licensing, etc.?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-GB>If so: with which tags; e.g. in this case “ref=XXXX” and “place=plot”?<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=3 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-GB>A related case is the Port of Antwerp’s system for port/quay numbering (haven-/kaainummers). Mind you this is an old topic [3], which was never really resolved, I guess? However, the added value of these numbers is quite obvious: they are useful for land and waterway navigation, often better-known (at least within the “port community”) and used more frequently/easily than the conventional (street+housenumber) addresses, often visible on highway destination signs, warehouses, gates, quaysides… and mentioned in virtually every company’s contact details. <br>So despite the potential usefulness, the complete number set is not (yet) present in OSM and in any case not as consistently tagged nodes. <br>Currently the data are publicly accessible to download, e.g. to be used as satnav POIs [4]. I assume this might facilitate a straightforward import, if they are released as open data. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle><span lang=EN-GB>Similar questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-GB>Should they be in the OSM database?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-GB>If so: how: through a documented import?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpLast style='margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-GB>If so: how to tag? <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Regards<br>Vincent / QuercE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>[1] e.g.: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/582619">https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/582619</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>[2] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2380581">https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2380581</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>[3] <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2010-November/001600.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2010-November/001600.html</a> <br>and: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dancelis/diary/12282">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dancelis/diary/12282</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>[4] <a href="https://www.portofantwerp.com/nl/my-poa/services/gps-module-antwerpport?fbclid=IwAR0OqZUkYOiSdPu8aMsZHkzAgIKqJoxEJcZf4HV1lb3bFBP84J0IP6UpAiQ">https://www.portofantwerp.com/nl/my-poa/services/gps-module-antwerpport?fbclid=IwAR0OqZUkYOiSdPu8aMsZHkzAgIKqJoxEJcZf4HV1lb3bFBP84J0IP6UpAiQ</a> <br>and: <a href="https://portaal-stadantwerpen.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/574c21e24b9b4fd8b36a52df5d8e4293_590">https://portaal-stadantwerpen.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/574c21e24b9b4fd8b36a52df5d8e4293_590</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:18.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:18.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>