<html><head></head><body><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>An Overpass Turbo query shows that there are quite some ways tagged as higway=track and tracktype=grade1, so definitely paved.</div><div><br></div><div>In a somewhat wider perspective: I recently saw a road retagged to highway=service. In the past that road had been mapped at various times as highway=cycleway, highway=path and highway=track with tracktype=grade1.</div><div><br></div><div>This kind of retagging happens rather often, and it shows there is a problem there: it is clear that it makes the map less useful than it could be. If mappers are confused about what a way should be tagged like, users will be confused what a certain tag means for the road. Isn't it time to clean up things?</div><div><br></div><div>The problem seems to lie with those roads which are important for cyclists: smaller roads with limited or no motorised traffic.</div><div><br></div><div>I have no idea what the proper procedure is to change the Wiki, as some form of consensus is obviously needed. Does one start with an RFC on this mailing list, or something like that?</div><div><br></div><div>Season greetings,</div><div><br></div><div>JanFi</div><div><br></div><div>Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be schreef op za 02-01-2021 om 09:00 [+0000]:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div> <br>Hi,<br><br>A reminder to everyone: as far as I can see this convention hasn't changed...<br><br>Regards,<br><br>StijnRR<br><br> </div> <div class="yahoo_quoted" style="margin:10px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex;"> <div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"> <div> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 05:59:16 PM GMT+1, Ben Laenen <benlaenen@gmail.com> wrote: </div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><div dir="ltr">I'm sure you can look through this mailing list's history and find all kinds of <br></div><div dir="ltr">discussion about it in the past...<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Long story short: the unpaved thing was more or less the original usage, then <br></div><div dir="ltr">it was changed in some other countries which was set as the international <br></div><div dir="ltr">definition and in Belgium we didn't change it.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Personally I think the difference unpaved <-> paved for track <-> other road <br></div><div dir="ltr">types makes much more sense in Belgium, and also much more objective.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Ben<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Tuesday 22 December 2015 08:37:35 joost schouppe wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Hi all,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> I was looking at this page:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Highways" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Highways</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> And I saw only unpaved roads are supposed to be tagged as track. I've been<br></div><div dir="ltr">> seeing quite a few rural roads which only allow agricultural vehicles and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> only lead to fields. They look to me essentially as paved tracks. In most<br></div><div dir="ltr">> of the world (i.e. outside of Europe) what the road is used for trumps road<br></div><div dir="ltr">> quality when it comes to classification.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Shouldn't this "Unpaved roads with traces of motor traffic or accessible to<br></div><div dir="ltr">> motor traffic" be replaced by something like "Paths which show use of<br></div><div dir="ltr">> occasional motor traffic, or are designed to do so and that don't prohibit<br></div><div dir="ltr">> such use. Generally unpaved and used to access forests or agricultural<br></div><div dir="ltr">> fields."<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">Talk-be mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a ymailto="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org">Talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be</a><br></div></div> </div> </div><pre>_______________________________________________
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