<div dir="ltr">It is a discussion that comes back once in a while and I agree that having a separate Belgian meaning for a very common tag as track makes no sense. I'm also following the international wiki in that regard.<div><br></div><div>wouter</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 7:00 PM s8evq <<a href="mailto:s8evqq@runbox.com">s8evqq@runbox.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I was not aware of these national conventions, and therefor also never adhered to it. I always used the wiki pages on the different highway types. I'm not sure why we would need to differ from the international standards. It's already hard enough as is :)<br>
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On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 17:21:55 +0100, Jan Cnops <<a href="mailto:jan.cnops@scarlet.be" target="_blank">jan.cnops@scarlet.be</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi,<br>
> An Overpass Turbo query shows that there are quite some ways tagged as<br>
> higway=track and tracktype=grade1, so definitely paved.<br>
> In a somewhat wider perspective: I recently saw a road retagged to<br>
> highway=service. In the past that road had been mapped at various times<br>
> as highway=cycleway, highway=path and highway=track with<br>
> tracktype=grade1.<br>
> This kind of retagging happens rather often, and it shows there is a<br>
> problem there: it is clear that it makes the map less useful than it<br>
> could be. If mappers are confused about what a way should be tagged<br>
> like, users will be confused what a certain tag means for the road.<br>
> Isn't it time to clean up things?<br>
> The problem seems to lie with those roads which are important for<br>
> cyclists: smaller roads with limited or no motorised traffic.<br>
> I have no idea what the proper procedure is to change the Wiki, as some<br>
> form of consensus is obviously needed. Does one start with an RFC on<br>
> this mailing list, or something like that?<br>
> Season greetings,<br>
> JanFi<br>
> Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be schreef op za 02-01-2021 om 09:00 [+0000]:<br>
> > <br>
> > Hi,<br>
> > <br>
> > A reminder to everyone: as far as I can see this convention hasn't<br>
> > changed...<br>
> > <br>
> > Regards,<br>
> > <br>
> > StijnRR<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > On Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 05:59:16 PM GMT+1,<br>
> > Ben Laenen <<a href="mailto:benlaenen@gmail.com" target="_blank">benlaenen@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > wrote: <br>
> > <br>
> > I'm sure you can look through this mailing list's<br>
> > history and find all kinds of <br>
> > discussion about it in the past...<br>
> > <br>
> > Long story short: the unpaved thing was more or less the original<br>
> > usage, then <br>
> > it was changed in some other countries which was set as the<br>
> > international <br>
> > definition and in Belgium we didn't change it.<br>
> > <br>
> > Personally I think the difference unpaved <-> paved for track <-><br>
> > other road <br>
> > types makes much more sense in Belgium, and also much more objective.<br>
> > <br>
> > Ben<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > On Tuesday 22 December 2015 08:37:35 joost schouppe wrote:<br>
> > > Hi all,<br>
> > > <br>
> > > I was looking at this page:<br>
> > > <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/</a><br>
> > Highways<br>
> > > <br>
> > > And I saw only unpaved roads are supposed to be tagged as track.<br>
> > I've been<br>
> > > seeing quite a few rural roads which only allow agricultural<br>
> > vehicles and<br>
> > > only lead to fields. They look to me essentially as paved tracks.<br>
> > In most<br>
> > > of the world (i.e. outside of Europe) what the road is used for<br>
> > trumps road<br>
> > > quality when it comes to classification.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Shouldn't this "Unpaved roads with traces of motor traffic or<br>
> > accessible to<br>
> > > motor traffic" be replaced by something like "Paths which show use<br>
> > of<br>
> > > occasional motor traffic, or are designed to do so and that don't<br>
> > prohibit<br>
> > > such use. Generally unpaved and used to access forests or<br>
> > agricultural<br>
> > > fields."<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
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