<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello François,</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads#Different_kinds_of_tracks.2Fpaths">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads#Different_kinds_of_tracks.2Fpaths</a></div><div><br></div><div>I almost always use highway=path, to avoid the british significance of footway. Actually footway is a 'designation', a legal status. In Belgium you could use designation=communal_road, eg.</div><div><br></div><div>Greets,</div><div>Steven<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op vr 19 feb. 2021 om 07:00 schreef Francois Gerin <<a href="mailto:francois.gerin@gmail.com">francois.gerin@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Matthieu,</p>
<p>I'm afraid you read too fast, you missed important details.</p>
<p>Read again the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway" target="_blank">definition</a>,
the very first and single sentence: the word "mainly" is
definitely important, it is directly related to my first mail, the
huge work I did on the last two years and I already had exchanges
on this here on the mailing just a few months ago. Maybe you can
retrieve some archive, just look for my email address or name, you
should quickly spot the interesting things.<br>
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<p>There are ways for which a path definition cannot be applied
while a footway definition matches exactly. And no, there is no
official sign.<br>
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<p>The attributes you mentioned do not match the need, while the
definitely tag does. And the definition clearly allows it. Also,
tag and attributes are different entities with some hierarchy
relationship.<br>
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<p>Also, pay attention to the state of some wiki pages: draft are
drafts, even if old. I would love to see elements leaving the
draft state... (vicinal_*, among others) But they are drafts, they
have been drafts for years and they're very probably going to keep
as drafts for yet more time. While there are official non-draft
documents that exist and should be respected.</p>
<p>Any work breaking would be particularly damaging. As you
mentioned it yourself, that's a Pandora box. Be sure to understand
the history and why things are like they are before breaking.<br>
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<p>Regards,<br>
François</p>
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<div>On 18/02/21 18:38, Thibault Rommel
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<div dir="ltr">I tend to try to use this page as an example <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads</a>
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<div>Met vriendelijke groeten</div>
Thibault Rommel<span></span><span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op do 18 feb. 2021 om 14:01
schreef Matthieu Gaillet <<a href="mailto:matthieu@gaillet.be" target="_blank">matthieu@gaillet.be</a>>:<br>
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<div><font color="#000000"><span>Thanks for sharing your
ideas Vincent.</span></font><br>
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I mostly agree with you except on that point : <br>
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A footway is definitely useful: this is a path too
small for horses and mountain bikes. (By mountain
bikers, I mean "standard people", aka end users, not
pro mountain bikers who can pass nearly everywhere a
pedestrian passes!) That definitely correspond to
what bikers call "singles": a very small track,
where two bikes cannot pass side by side.</p>
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Even if the wiki is not definitive about the use of that tag
(mostly because of national specifics), most if not all the
pictures refers to ways in <u>urbanized places</u> where
the attention has been put on pedestrian mobility. Most are
guarded by “pedestrian only” road signs.
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<div>What you’re trying to show on the map can be reached
with tags like trail_visibility, surface, smoothness,
mtb_scale, bicycle, and even width. I believe that mapping
a footway for a super small path is leading to exactly the
contrary of what you’re trying to avoid : people will try
to follow those paths because they’re emphasised by most
renderers.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"> I also realized the lack of
consensus, but also the good reason for the lack of
consensus: the problem is not that simple, and there are
different points of view, sometime very opposite, but
also with a good common base.</blockquote>
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<div>There *is* actually a consensus if I refer to the
reactions to my questioning this morni</div>
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