<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hello,<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I was recently intrigued by <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/890280505#map=8/50.022/6.059">this way</a> whose name is <i><span class="" style="" id=":m5.1" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardenne</span>/<span class="" style="" id=":m5.2" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardennes</span>/<span class="" style="" id=":m5.3" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardennen</span></i>. I think that this type of data has no place in <span class="" style="" id=":m5.4" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">OpenStreetMap</span> today.<br><br>Why not? First some references ...<br><ul><li>(<a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardenne">https://fr.<span class="" style="" id=":m5.5" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">wikipedia</span>.org/wiki/<span class="" style="" id=":m5.6" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardenne</span></a>)</li><li>(<a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardenne#Communes">https://fr.<span class="" style="" id=":m5.7" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">wikipedia</span>.org/wiki/<span class="" style="" id=":m5.8" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardenne</span>#Communes</a>) Including a list of communes located in Belgium, the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg and France].</li><li>(<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dmountain_range">https://wiki.<span class="" style="" id=":m5.9" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">openstreetmap</span>.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dmountain_range</a>) </li><li>(<a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cha%C3%AEne_de_montagnes">https://fr.<span class="" style="" id=":m5.10" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">wikipedia</span>.org/wiki/<span class="" style="" id=":m5.11" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Cha</span>%C3%<span class="" style="" id=":m5.12" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">AEne</span>_<span class="" style="" id=":m5.13" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">de</span>_<span class="" style="" id=":m5.14" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">montagnes</span></a>) </li><li>(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_ranges#Europe">https://en.<span class="" style="" id=":m5.15" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">wikipedia</span>.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_ranges#Europe</a>) It does not appear that the <span class="" style="" id=":m5.16" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardennes</span> is considered a mountain range.</li><li>In <i>Denis, Jacques. Geography of Belgium. Brussels: <span class="" style="" id=":m5.17" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Crédit</span> communal <span class="" style="" id=":m5.18" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">de</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.19" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Belgique</span>, 1992</i> there is a map (p. 137) that shows the major morphological units of Belgium. The Northern <span class="" style="" id=":m5.20" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardennes</span>, the Central <span class="" style="" id=":m5.21" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardennes</span> and the Southern <span class="" style="" id=":m5.22" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardennes</span> are among 19 other units.</li></ul>It is clear from all this that the <span class="" style="" id=":m5.23" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardenne</span> is a geological concept. The data does not belong to <span class="" style="" id=":m5.24" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">OpenStreetMap</span> at this stage. Tags relating to geology are few in number and generally very precisely located. (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:geological">https://wiki.<span class="" style="" id=":m5.25" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">openstreetmap</span>.org/wiki/Key:geological</a>). This is not the case with the way 890280505.<br><br>OK, there are several types of boundaries in <span class="" style="" id=":m5.26" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">OSM</span>. But these are - generally - official and public data which are not contestable. The boundaries of the <span class="" style="" id=":m5.27" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardennes</span> are too imprecise and hardly verifiable in the field by an ordinary contributor. Who will arbitrate on possible boundary changes?<br><br>The route created by <span class="" style="" id=":m5.28" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Florimondable</span> may be well-intentioned. But it seems to me to be unmanageable in <span class="" style="" id=":m5.29" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">OSM</span>.<br><br>But that's just my point of view.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I contacted both the first (<span class="" style="" id=":m5.30" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Florimondable</span>) and the last (Stereo) publisher.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I asked <span class="" style="" id=":m5.31" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Florimondable</span> the reason of this way. He answered 'J<i>’ai <span class="" style="" id=":m5.32" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">ajouté</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.33" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">le</span> massif <span class="" style="" id=":m5.34" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">montagneux</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.35" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">des</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.36" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardennes</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.37" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">parce</span> qu’il… <span class="" style="" id=":m5.38" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">existe</span>. Pour <span class="" style="" id=":m5.39" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">sa</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.40" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">géométrie</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.41" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">je</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.42" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">ne</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.43" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">suis</span> pas <span class="" style="" id=":m5.44" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">du</span> tout <span class="" style="" id=":m5.45" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">un</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.46" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">spécialiste</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.47" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">de</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.48" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">ce</span> massif, j’ai <span class="" style="" id=":m5.49" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">donc</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.50" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">fait</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.51" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">au</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.52" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">mieux</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.53" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">de</span> mes <span class="" style="" id=":m5.54" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">connaissances</span>.</i>' [I added the <span class="" style="" id=":m5.55" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Ardennes</span> mountain range because it... exists. For its geometry I am not at all a specialist of this massif, so I did the best of my knowledge]. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For Stereo '<i>Si <span class="" style="" id=":m5.56" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Florimondable</span> n’a pas 
<span class="" style="" id=":m5.57" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">vraiment</span> l’utilité <span class="" style="" id=":m5.58" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">du</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.59" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">polygone</span>, pas d’objection à <span class="" style="" id=":m5.60" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">ce</span> qu’il <span class="" style="" id=":m5.61" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">disparaisse</span>. 
<span class="" style="" id=":m5.62" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Je</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.63" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">ne</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.64" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">connais</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.65" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">malheureusement</span> pas <span class="" style="" id=":m5.66" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">de</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.67" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">rendu</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.68" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">qui</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.69" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">utilise</span> <span class="" style="" id=":m5.70" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">ce</span> genre <span class="" style="" id=":m5.71" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">de</span> 
<span class="" style="" id=":m5.72" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">trucs</span>.' </i>[If <span class="" style="" id=":m5.73" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">Florimondable</span> doesn't really have a use for the polygon, no objection to it disappearing. Unfortunately I don't know of any rendering that uses this kind of stuff.].<br><br>What do you think of this? Should we keep these types of data in <span class="" style="" id=":m5.74" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">OSM</span>? The French and the German mappers should be involved.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Pierre aka <span class="" style="" id=":m5.75" tabindex="-1" role="menuitem" aria-haspopup="true">foxandpotatoes</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br> </div></div>