<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div>Hi Seppe,</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Thanks for reviewing my changes carefully !</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Good thing you’re cleaning up! The changeset is huge though, which makes it hard to review. It would have been easier if the work was split up into different changesets, e.g. one for each type of change: “moving manufacturer and model from name tag to manufacturer and manufacturer:type tags” for one changeset, “adding generator:output:electricity=yes” for a second changeset and so on. That would also make it easier to revert one of these big changes if something goes wrong or i fit is disputed.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>You’re right. Actually I was surprised to discover so many discrepancies and I didn’t expect that there will be so much changes. I will do it differently next time.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">That brings me to the generator:output:electricity=small_installation key/value combination. This is not documented in the wiki (as far as i can see) and to me, it doesn’t really make sense.</span></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I can understand that you want to identify smaller wind turbines, but I think the generator:output:electricity should not be used for this. Especially where you have changed an existing value in Watts (e.g. “generator:output:electricity=1800 W” into “generator:output:electricity=small_installation”), I think this is wrong. It takes away detailed information (the actual output in W). I can understand the motivation for this (filtering out small installations in queries), but I think this is not the right way to do it. </span></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I understand that. I was myself not so sure about this but that « small_installation » value is proposed by JOSM, that’s why I decided to follow that path. <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:generator:source=solar#Rooftop_Solar_Panels" class="">By looking at the wiki</a> I see that that this value is mostly used for individual rooftop solar installations, which is exactly the same idea for individual wind turbines ! Therefore I think the tagging is absolutely correct.<br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Especially for the turbines that had a value in W, I would suggest to revert these edits. </span></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I reviewed those 15 « small installations » Most were only specifying <font face="Verdana, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class="">generator:output:electricity=yes or nothing at all. So I actually </span><u style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class="">added</u><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""> details. </span><span style="font-size: 12.666666984558105px;" class="">There</span><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""> was two exceptions : </span></font></div><div><ul class=""><li class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9.5pt;" class="">The one with 1800W was actually created by me </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12.666666984558105px;" class="">😊</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""> and as I really feel it</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12.666666984558105px;" class="">’</span><font face="Verdana, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class="">s a </span><span style="font-size: 12.666666984558105px;" class="">kind of </span></font><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12.666666984558105px;" class="">gadget</span><font face="Verdana, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""> more that anything else from the energy point of </span><span style="font-size: 12.666666984558105px;" class="">view</span><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""> I </span></font><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12.666666984558105px;" class="">prefer</span><font face="Verdana, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""> leaving it like this. </span></font></li><li class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9.5pt;" class="">I restored one that was originally </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12.666666984558105px;" class="">mentioning</span><font face="Verdana, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""> 50 kW of power output since it is as rather large installation, larger that a household one. There are more and more individual </span><span style="font-size: 12.666666984558105px;" class="">wind</span><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""> turbines of that kind especially around farms.</span></font></li></ul></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div class="" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I’m sure we can find a consensus on how to tag/identify smaller wind turbines. We can then document this in the Wiki and after that, we can see where we should add to (or change) existing tagging.</span></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>I agree, there should be indeed a way to separate industrial vs private generators, they have really almost nothing in common except that they are producing energy with wind.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>There is an interesting proposal <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement#Dispersed_facilities" class="">here</a> : grouping the industrial turbines <b class="">into farms and power plants</b>, summing their individual power outputs. Most of the industrial wind turbines are grouped on a small areas. That would exclude lone turbines but those are quite rare.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So the user would have to search for wind farms instead of turbines to get an idea of the installed power (which is IMHO more relevant than the number of individual generators).</div><div><br class=""></div><div>What do you think ?</div><div><span style="font-size: 12.666666984558105px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Seppe <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="NL" class="">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Matthieu <<a href="mailto:matthieu@gaillet.be" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">matthieu@gaillet.be</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Verzonden:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>donderdag 8 juli 2021 19:18<br class=""><b class="">Aan:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenStreetMap Belgium <<a href="mailto:talk-be@openstreetmap.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Onderwerp:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OSM-talk-be] Missing windmills data ?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I reviewed all the nodes having "generator:source"=“wind” in Wallonia using JOSM, mostly by mass editing using various filters to ensure correct tagging.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I was surprised to see how many of them I had to edit (353 out of 499 nodes found). Most common errors were : <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Missing one of many of the mandatory tags, namely<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" class=""><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">p<tt style="font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255);" class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power" title="Key:power" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128); text-decoration: none;" class="">ower</span></a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator" title="Tag:power=generator" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128); text-decoration: none;" class="">generato</span><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128); text-decoration: none;" class="">r</span></a></span></tt><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 1.2pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><tt style="font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255);" class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:generator:source" title="Key:generator:source" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128); text-decoration: none;" class="">generator:source</span></a>=wind</span></tt><o:p class=""></o:p></li><font color="#0b0080" class="">+</font></ul></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The latest being the most problematic. <o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">A lot had the manufacturer and model in the name field.<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">By locating isolated wind turbines (most of them are arranged in farms), I was able to find a lot of private wind turbines, for them I set <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:generator:output:electricity" title="Key:generator:output:electricity" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128); text-decoration: none;" class="">generator:output:electricity</span></a><span style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255);" class="">=small_installation to be able to isolate them in a dataset.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I hope the result is good and that I didn’t break anything. I randomly reviewed some nodes and my edits made sense.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The changeset is here if anybody wants to review :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/107651694" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/107651694</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matthieu<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 15 Jun 2021, at 19:31, Matthieu Gaillet <<a href="mailto:matthieu@gaillet.be" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">matthieu@gaillet.be</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Salut,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">J’ai récemment lu dans ce papier qu’aucune donnée précise n’était disponible sur le nombre d’éoliennes en Wallonie. <a href="https://plus.lesoir.be/378347/article/2021-06-15/eoliennes-les-communes-wallonnes-au-bord-de-la-crise-de-nerfs" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://plus.lesoir.be/378347/article/2021-06-15/eoliennes-les-communes-wallonnes-au-bord-de-la-crise-de-nerfs</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ne serait-ce pas l’occasion de mettre la communauté à l’œuvre ?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Premièrement, remonter localisation des parcs éoliens<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Deuxièmement, faire un relevé sur place<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Troisièmement réunir des informations plus précises sur les hauteurs et les puissances. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Les communes disposent généralement de ces informations, à priori on pourrait les obtenir sur simple demande. Parfois c’est même décrit sur un panneau informatif. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">En bonus il reste à relever les éoliennes privées, surtout celles autour des exploitations agricoles. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Qu’en pensez-vous ? Comment démarrer ce genre de community-assisted survey ?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">L’état des lieux : <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/18oI" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/18oI</a> - Je vois déjà que le parc sur Assesse est manquant. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matthieu<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matthieu G. (en mode mobile)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matthieu G. (en mode mobile)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Talk-be mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">***DISCLAIMER***<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.westtoer.be/disclaimer" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">www.westtoer.be/disclaimer</a><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Talk-be mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be</a></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>