<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Yes. The order of magnitude of their power output are so different that it’s easy to differentiate : <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""> >= 750 kW : big units, industrial use, mostly organized in farms, sometimes offshore</li><li class="">Between 30 kW and 750 kW : medium sized units, commercial use, generally farmers or industrial parks, often on vertical axis.</li><li class="">< 30 kW : small sized units, domestic use, mostly for individuals</li></ul></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cf <a href="https://energieplus-lesite.be/techniques/eolien6/eoliennes/" class="">https://energieplus-lesite.be/techniques/eolien6/eoliennes/</a> for a more detailed classification but I think that the general use would be to be able to differentiate between those three categories.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 12 juil. 2021 à 15:12, Seppe Santens <<a href="mailto:seppe.santens@westtoer.be" class="">seppe.santens@westtoer.be</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Matthieu,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks for taking the time to comment back on this!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">When reading your explanation, the first question that pops up to me is whether we can objectively differentiate between the small ones e.g. on houses and the big, industrial ones? What about medium sized turbines that fall in between? Is there a cut-off value or some other characteristic we can use?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Seppe<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="NL" class="">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Matthieu Gaillet <<a href="mailto:matthieu@gaillet.be" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">matthieu@gaillet.be</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Verzonden:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>maandag 12 juli 2021 11:11<br class=""><b class="">Aan:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenStreetMap Belgium <<a href="mailto:talk-be@openstreetmap.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Onderwerp:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OSM-talk-be] Missing windmills data ?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Seppe,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks for reviewing my changes carefully !<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Good thing you’re cleaning up! The changeset is huge though, which makes it hard to review. It would have been easier if the work was split up into different changesets, e.g. one for each type of change: “moving manufacturer and model from name tag to manufacturer and manufacturer:type tags” for one changeset, “adding generator:output:electricity=yes” for a second changeset and so on. That would also make it easier to revert one of these big changes if something goes wrong or i fit is disputed.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">You’re right. Actually I was surprised to discover so many discrepancies and I didn’t expect that there will be so much changes. I will do it differently next time.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">That brings me to the generator:output:electricity=small_installation key/value combination. This is not documented in the wiki (as far as i can see) and to me, it doesn’t really make sense.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I can understand that you want to identify smaller wind turbines, but I think the generator:output:electricity should not be used for this. Especially where you have changed an existing value in Watts (e.g. “generator:output:electricity=1800 W” into “generator:output:electricity=small_installation”), I think this is wrong. It takes away detailed information (the actual output in W). I can understand the motivation for this (filtering out small installations in queries), but I think this is not the right way to do it.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I understand that. I was myself not so sure about this but that « small_installation » value is proposed by JOSM, that’s why I decided to follow that path. <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:generator:source=solar#Rooftop_Solar_Panels" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">By looking at the wiki</a> I see that that this value is mostly used for individual rooftop solar installations, which is exactly the same idea for individual wind turbines ! Therefore I think the tagging is absolutely correct.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Especially for the turbines that had a value in W, I would suggest to revert these edits. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I reviewed those 15 « small installations » Most were only specifying <span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">generator:output:electricity=yes or nothing at all. So I actually<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">added</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>details. There was two exceptions : </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">The one with 1800W was actually created by me </span><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji", sans-serif;" class="">😊</span><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> and as I really feel it’s a kind of gadget more that anything else from the energy point of view I prefer leaving it like this. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I restored one that was originally mentioning 50 kW of power output since it is as rather large installation, larger that a household one. There are more and more individual wind turbines of that kind especially around farms.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I’m sure we can find a consensus on how to tag/identify smaller wind turbines. We can then document this in the Wiki and after that, we can see where we should add to (or change) existing tagging.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I agree, there should be indeed a way to separate industrial vs private generators, they have really almost nothing in common except that they are producing energy with wind.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">There is an interesting proposal <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement#Dispersed_facilities" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">here</a> : grouping the industrial turbines<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">into farms and power plants</b>, summing their individual power outputs. Most of the industrial wind turbines are grouped on a small areas. That would exclude lone turbines but those are quite rare.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So the user would have to search for wind farms instead of turbines to get an idea of the installed power (which is IMHO more relevant than the number of individual generators).<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What do you think ?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Seppe </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="NL" class="">Van:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="NL" class=""> </span></span><span lang="NL" class="">Matthieu <<a href="mailto:matthieu@gaillet.be" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">matthieu@gaillet.be</a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Verzonden:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>donderdag 8 juli 2021 19:18<br class=""><b class="">Aan:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenStreetMap Belgium <<a href="mailto:talk-be@openstreetmap.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">talk-be@openstreetmap.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Onderwerp:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OSM-talk-be] Missing windmills data ?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I reviewed all the nodes having "generator:source"=“wind” in Wallonia using JOSM, mostly by mass editing using various filters to ensure correct tagging.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I was surprised to see how many of them I had to edit (353 out of 499 nodes found). Most common errors were : <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Missing one of many of the mandatory tags, namely<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">p<tt style="font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255);" class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power" title="Key:power" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128); text-decoration: none;" class="">ower</span></a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator" title="Tag:power=generator" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128); text-decoration: none;" class="">generator</span></a></span></tt><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 1.2pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><tt style="font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255);" class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:generator:source" title="Key:generator:source" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128); text-decoration: none;" class="">generator:source</span></a>=wind</span></tt><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul></ul><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 72pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(11, 0, 128);" class="">+</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The latest being the most problematic. <o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">A lot had the manufacturer and model in the name field.<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">By locating isolated wind turbines (most of them are arranged in farms), I was able to find a lot of private wind turbines, for them I set <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:generator:output:electricity" title="Key:generator:output:electricity" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128); text-decoration: none;" class="">generator:output:electricity</span></a><span style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 255);" class="">=small_installation to be able to isolate them in a dataset.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I hope the result is good and that I didn’t break anything. I randomly reviewed some nodes and my edits made sense.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The changeset is here if anybody wants to review :<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/107651694" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/107651694</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matthieu<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 15 Jun 2021, at 19:31, Matthieu Gaillet <<a href="mailto:matthieu@gaillet.be" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">matthieu@gaillet.be</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Salut,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">J’ai récemment lu dans ce papier qu’aucune donnée précise n’était disponible sur le nombre d’éoliennes en Wallonie. <a href="https://plus.lesoir.be/378347/article/2021-06-15/eoliennes-les-communes-wallonnes-au-bord-de-la-crise-de-nerfs" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://plus.lesoir.be/378347/article/2021-06-15/eoliennes-les-communes-wallonnes-au-bord-de-la-crise-de-nerfs</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ne serait-ce pas l’occasion de mettre la communauté à l’œuvre ?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Premièrement, remonter localisation des parcs éoliens<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Deuxièmement, faire un relevé sur place<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Troisièmement réunir des informations plus précises sur les hauteurs et les puissances. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Les communes disposent généralement de ces informations, à priori on pourrait les obtenir sur simple demande. Parfois c’est même décrit sur un panneau informatif. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">En bonus il reste à relever les éoliennes privées, surtout celles autour des exploitations agricoles. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Qu’en pensez-vous ? Comment démarrer ce genre de community-assisted survey ?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">L’état des lieux : <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/18oI" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/18oI</a> - Je vois déjà que le parc sur Assesse est manquant. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matthieu<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matthieu G. (en mode mobile)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matthieu G. 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