<div dir="ltr"><div>Exact, dat stond vroeger wel steeds bij de beschrijving, en heb ik er nu opnieuw aan toegevoegd.</div><div>Ik heb wel nog één opmerking gehad van een wat oudere Vlaming die zich ook afgeschrikt voelt door al dat Engels. Terwijl ik hem uitlegde dat Deepl of Google Translate gebruiken toch maar een kleine moeite is, viel mijn frank dat automatische vertalingen ook voor MIJ gemakkelijk zijn. We willen altijd echt goeie vertalingen maken - maar in gevallen waar dat nu ook weer niet écht nodig is, is een automatische vertaling vaak al goed genoeg. Dus daar ga ik in de toekomst wel aan proberen denken voor dit soort bericht. Al ga ik dan uitdrukking als "mijn frank valt" dan misschien moeten vermijden :)</div><div><br></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Exactly, that did used to be in the description all the time, and I have added it again now. I did have one comment from an older Fleming who also feels put off by all that English. While I was explaining to him that using Deepl or Google Translate is only a small effort, I mentioned that automatic translations are easy for ME too. We always want to make really good translations - but in cases where it's not really necessary, an automatic translation is often good enough. So I'll try to think of that in the future for this kind of message. Although I might have to avoid expressions like "my franc is falling" :)<br><br>Translated with <a href="http://www.DeepL.com/Translator">www.DeepL.com/Translator</a> (free version)</div><div><br></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Exactement, cela figurait dans la description avant, et je l'ai à nouveau ajouté. J'ai reçu un commentaire d'un Flamand plus âgé qui se sent également rebuté par tout cet anglais. Alors que je lui expliquais que l'utilisation de Deepl ou de Google Translate ne représente qu'un petit effort, j'ai mentionné que les traductions automatiques sont faciles pour moi aussi. Nous voulons toujours faire de très bonnes traductions, mais dans les cas où cela n'est pas vraiment nécessaire, une traduction automatique est souvent suffisante. J'essaierai donc d'y penser à l'avenir pour ce genre de message. Bien que je doive éviter des expressions comme "mon franc baisse" :)<br><br>Traduit avec <a href="http://www.DeepL.com/Translator">www.DeepL.com/Translator</a> (version gratuite)</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op do 21 okt. 2021 om 20:14 schreef Jan Cnops <<a href="mailto:jan.cnops@scarlet.be">jan.cnops@scarlet.be</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><div><br></div><div>Ik herinner me van vrij lang geleden vergaderingen op federaal niveau. Daar was de regel: ieder spreekt zijn eigen taal. Dat ging erg goed; iets begrijpen in een vreemde taal is gemakkelijker dan ze spreken. Maar voor "officiële" aankondigingen van een meet is Engels een vrij neutrale keuze, al was het misschien beter geweest om van in het begin aan te geven dat de voertalen Frans, Duits, Nederlands en Engels zijn. En dus is het selbstverständlich dat<i> die meetups nogal</i> peuvent changer de langue <i>all the time.</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>vg,</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>JanFi</i></div><div><br></div><div>joost schouppe schreef op do 21-10-2021 om 08:50 [+0200]:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>What Jorieke said :)</div><div><br></div><div>It would be so much better to translate everything into Dutch & French. I do commend Karel for earlier offers to help translations. But it's not just the translation itself that increases the workload - it's the asking around, waiting to see if it happens, putting things together. What first was a 15 minutes task is now an hour, spread over three days. That said, since this is the first event in so long, we didn't copy paste from the last one, and forgot to mention the thing Jorieke said about <i>hoe die meetups nogal</i> peuvent changer de langue <i>all the time. </i>I fixed that now.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op wo 20 okt. 2021 om 21:52 schreef Jorieke Vyncke <<a href="mailto:jorieke.vyncke@gmail.com" target="_blank">jorieke.vyncke@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hey Karel, <div dir="auto">Op de meetups worden alle talen gesproken hoor! </div><div dir="auto">En ff wat krediet voor de organisatoren die ook maar vrijwilligers zijn en hun best doen en gewoon pragmatisch zijn hier. Altijd alles vertalen in onze drie landstalen is uiteraard politiek correct, maar veel meer werk.</div><div dir="auto">Veel plezier op de meetup iedereen!</div><div dir="auto">Groetjes, Jorieke</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 20 Oct 2021, 19:13 , <<a href="mailto:wannesss@gmail.com" target="_blank">wannesss@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Nein, it doesn’t.</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex">Op 20 okt. 2021 om 17:29 heeft Karel Adams <<a href="mailto:fa348739@skynet.be" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">fa348739@skynet.be</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
<p>Which will offend _everybody_ with any respect for their own
language and culture. In other words, I see it as a way of
undermining Belgium, denying its own native cultures and
languages.</p>
<p>KA<br>
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<a href="mailto:francois.piette@overbyte.be" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">francois.piette@overbyte.be</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>May
be this is to accomodate bi(tri)lingualism in Belgium. So as
not to offend anyone, we speak neither French nor Dutch but
English.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR">--<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR">François Piette<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 20 octobre 2021 16:46<br>
<b>À :</b> OpenStreetMap Belgium
<a href="mailto:talk-be@openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><talk-be@openstreetmap.org></a>; joost schouppe
<a href="mailto:joost.schouppe@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><joost.schouppe@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [OSM-talk-be] meetup in Brussels<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>Ik had er best zin in, op het eerste zicht. Op het tweede
zicht zie ik een totale ontkenning en minachting voor het
Nederlands, nochtans de eerste landstaal; zowel in deze
uitnodiging als in de webdienst waar men kan registreren. Doe
het dan maar zonder mij.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Next Tuesday, we're having the first
informal meetup in two years!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Join us for a drink and lots of
talking about anything and everything OpenStreetMap in
The Sister, in the center of Brussels.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/281086369/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/281086369/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Joost Schouppe</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/" target="_blank">OpenStreetMap</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/joostjakob" target="_blank">Twitter</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a> | <a href="http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/" target="_blank">Meetup</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>