<div>Hi All,</div><div><br></div>The changes will be available for viewing on canvec2osm0_05.zip :-)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Michel Gilbert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michcasa@gmail.com">michcasa@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi everyone,<br><br><p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">1) I propose some modifications at the CanVec OSM Map
Features for buildings:</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">CanVec Customs Post </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> remove security=yes </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA">--></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> security is not an OSM tag</span></font></p>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Done, updated the rules.txt file :-)</div><div>... but, security could become one (it can always be proposed) :) ... but for now i agree, and will continue to make the rules.txt file identical to the chart.</div>
<div>BTW, security is implied with "customs", anyway.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt">
<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">CanVec Municipal hall
(point) </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> replace
building=municipal_hall for building=yes </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> we
already have amenity=townhall</span></font></p></blockquote><div>fixed.:)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt">
<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">CanVec Municipal hall
(point) </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> remove
building:use=office</span></font></p></blockquote><div>fixed. :)</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt">
<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">CanVec Police station
(point) </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> remove
building:use=police_station </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">
we already have amenity=police</span></font></p></blockquote><div>fixed :)</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt">
<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">CanVec Railway Station
(point) </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> remove
building:use=train_station </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">
we already have railway=station</span></font></p></blockquote><div>fixed, and i added operator=*, i tend to want todo this for features where across canada it becomes significant. .. so then a VIA rail map can be produced, or a 'GO Transit' map can be produced. (for example). Where the name would be 'Oakville GO Station', and operator would be 'GO Transit'.</div>
<div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">CanVec</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> Penal Building</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">
(point) </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> remove
building:use=prison </span></font><font face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-CA"><font face="Arial">--></font></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"> we already
have amenity=prison</span></font></p></blockquote><div>fixed :) </div><div>and so, for ALL the buildings that are area's ill cross check to see that there all building=yes</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">If you agree, I can make the changes in the wiki.</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">2) What are the CanVec Common tags. I propose the
following ones. You can add yours unless there are somewhere in the wiki.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">k="created_by"
v="FME-CanvecBuildings2OSM" where v is the name of the script used to
create the import</span></font></p></blockquote><div>I don't know about splitting up all of the 11 themes... i made that chart with the status in error. It's MUCH easier to coordinate with the Feature ID CODE (the 7 digit code), so then all 300 features are listed in order, then i just scroll through to fix it. The 11 themes are scattered all throughout the numbering sequence.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Because FME has the ability to do the 'AutoMatch', and my script doesnt. ... i just created an individual OSM files for each of 7 digit codes contained in the files (ending in 09.shx)</div><div>
<br></div><div>I could change it to .. k="created_by" v="shp-to-osm_canvec2osm" .. as that might be more clear to users???. .. 'cause my script is just running shp-to-osm over again 98 times. </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">k="canvec:uuid"
v="baff4218d4ff45d18c0643e63906aab9" where v is the BDG_ID CanVec
attribute</span></font></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Changed it to. k"=canvec:uuid" v="<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">baff4218d4ff45d18c0643e63906aab9" ... actually, v is simply "ID" in all the .shp files.</span></div>
<div>... it's only for the road names that it gets confusing :0), fortunately i don't need to contend with that. ... your script does all that fancy work.</div><div><br></div><div>NOTE for everyone:</div><div>A "SHP" file actually consists of 4 files, *.shp *.prj *.dbf and *.shx</div>
<div><br></div><div>... it took me a little while to figure out that one :-) lol</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt">
<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">k="canvec:source"
v="Buildings_and_Structures_3.0" where v is the Canvec theme + CanVec
version</span></font></p></blockquote><div>According to the CanVec catalogue, its </div><div><a href="http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/canvec/doc/CanVec_feature_catalogue_v1_0_2_en.pdf">http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/canvec/doc/CanVec_feature_catalogue_v1_0_2_en.pdf</a><br>
</div><div>So i changed it to.</div><div><br></div><div>k="canvec:source" v="CanVec_feature_catalogue_v1_0_2_en.pdf"</div><div><br></div><div>or maybe </div><div><div>k="canvec:source" v="CanVec Feature Catalogue Edition 1.0.2" ???</div>
<div><br></div></div><div>... 'cause when version 1.0.3 comes out, (later in the spring) ID will be (most likely) more ID's made available, and additions/removal/change looking at the NID's </div><div><br></div>
<div>(I CC'd NRCan just to be sure)</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"><span>-<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">k="canvec:datasetName"
v="022A09" where v is the DATASET_NAME CanVec attribute</span></font></p></blockquote><div>for that your talking about the </div><div><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Administrative_boundaries_(LI)">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Administrative_boundaries_(LI)</a><br>
</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: -webkit-sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 19px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">46- NTS50K boundary polygon - (Polygone de découpage SNRC50K)</span> </div>
<div>which comes from shp file ***********LI_1210009_2 </div><div><br></div><div>so i changed it to <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">k="canvec:datasetName" v="022A09" ... but to take it to the next level, and adding in what it actually is called "Claycot Sound", it's possible for me to add this as a tag. (As i already have the list of names). Do you want this?</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>if so, we can change it to.. </div><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">k="canvec:datasetID" v="022A09"</span></div><div> k="canvec:datasetName" v="Claycot Sound"</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">3) Do you known if point feature tagged as building=yes are rendered in Mapnik. It does not seem to be displayed ???</span></font></p>
</blockquote><div>Right, 'point' features, should NOT contain the tag 'building=yes' .. only polygons should have this tag. amenity=prison, when listed as a point, by it's self... the icon will show up.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Extra notes:</div><div>1 -feel free to post comments on the talk page of the wiki, i could copy this message to it, if that would make sense?</div><div>2 -I apologize, if i sounded a little aprehensive (the other day) about when i saw the buildings already imported. (actually, just about jumped out of my skin) :-) ... lol ... (i know it's exiting) :)</div>
<div>3 -im starting to frown about adding the tag</div><div>k="user" v="canvec:Acrosscanadatrails"<br></div><div>mostly because when imported, who ever is actually importing these OSM files, it will get traced back to the user anyway.</div>
<div>Should this be removed?</div><div>4 -im happy i don't have "canvec2009", because it's rather redundant if we tell the user what CanVec feature catalogue it came out of. the date at which is was physically imported is already recorded in the history... and the tag "VALDATE" tells the user how ancient the feature is. </div>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">-- cheers<br></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA">Michel</span></font></p>
<font face="Arial" size="2"></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Sam </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-CA"></span></font><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/2/25 Sam Vekemans <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:acrosscanadatrails@gmail.com" target="_blank">acrosscanadatrails@gmail.com</a>></span><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">Hi, <div>Sorry, but i already have the script to import all the buildings PLUS all the other 10 sections, as part of the canvec2osm script. The script will zip through all of the features, and create an OSM file for each individual map feature (there are actually just 221...) </div>
<div><br></div><div>That's why im calling for people to help fix the charts to show the right tags for each feature. :-(</div><div><br></div><div>I dont think the wiki page is clear enough :( .. (yet)</div><div><br></div>
<div>The route im taking is using the shp-to-osm jave script.</div><div><br></div><div>You can download the sample script from my website</div><div><a href="http://www.acrosscanadatrails.com" target="_blank">www.acrosscanadatrails.com</a> </div>
<div><br></div><div>.. anyway, the idea is to get agreement on which tags to use for consistency... (i'm proposing to use all the tags available in the .dbf file)</div><div><br></div><div>Im just updating the wiki now, that the UUID is now included. Sorry...</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyway, unfortunately i dont know how to use FME, eithor....(as i don't have the GIS software)</div><div><br></div><div>But fortunately, because the UUID tag will be consistent with your method also, the update script that im sure you will figure out will be possible :-)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Please hold tight, the script should be better form by friday.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Sam</div><div><br></div><div>P.S. please cc me when talking about this :0) </div><div><br></div>
<div>PPS. regardless of what script & method is used, as long as the UUID is shown as a tag, and data quality is valued over data quantity.... its all good :-).</div><div><br></div><div>PPPS. Please do poke holes at what im doing too :)</div>
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</blockquote></div></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888">Michel Gilbert<br>
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