Thanks,<div>I do think that "TBD" (to be determined) would be better than 'n/a' ... so 'TBD in OSM". As what i was doing was simply guessing at what it 'could be'. So for those items that are still TBD, i should note them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cool, i wont touch that chart until your done. As there's still lots of fixing on the other charts too.</div><div><br></div><div>I checked the GeoBase NHN (downloaded an area, viewed with JUMP) and looking at the feature catelogue, i can see that yes i can make a similar program using shp-to-osm to convert the shape files, using only the data that is needed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>What the original concern (and the favorite of GeoBase) is the frequency of updates. I can make a list of all the features which are and are not available in CanVec. ... I presume that it is all from the same source. So the preference would naturally be the latest & greatest info.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The NHN organizes the tiles in funky shapes rather than strict NTS tiles, getting boarders along rivers and such. </div><div>Using the canvec version of the data would make it a bit easier, as it (can be imported) at the same time as all the other features. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Hopefully we will hear from the rest of the team about this, but for the time being, i will continue as i am doing, and have a folder 'geobase' created when running the script, to handle all the 'is in geobase' items. They need to be tagged anyway :-)<br>
<br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Sam Vekemans</div><div>Across Canada Trails</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Moreau, Jean-Sébastien <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Jean-Sebastien.Moreau@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca">Jean-Sebastien.Moreau@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Sam,</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I am not done yet with
the chart.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I’ve checked with
my co-workers about the “In geobase” statement of canvec features.
It means that the same feature exist in a geobase product (in this case the NHN).
I think we should first use the features in canvec. Later we could check what
we can get from the NHN that was not in canvec. The NHN add a lot of feature
types that will be of no use in OSM.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">So this is why I have
decided to add the mapping for these features.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The “N/A in OSM”
mean that I was unable to find something appropriate in OSM map features wiki
page :</span></font><span lang="EN-CA"> </span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features</a></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards,</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy"> </span></font><b><i><font color="blue" face="Century"><span style="font-family:Century;color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Jean-Sebastien Moreau</span></font></i></b></p>
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</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Centre d’information topographique / Centre
for Topographic Information</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"> <br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Gouvernement du Canada / Government of Canada</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"> <br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">2144-010 rue King Ouest, Sherbrooke
(Québec) Canada J1J 2E8</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"> <br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">2144-010 King West Street, Sherbrooke, Quebec,
Canada J1J 2E8</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"> <br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">téléphone / phone: 819.564.5600 ext. 252</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">télécopieur / facsimile: 819.564.5698</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"> </span></font><b><i><font color="blue" face="Century"><span style="font-family:Century;color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic"></span></font></i></b></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">email:</span></font><b><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy;font-weight:bold"> </span></font></b><b><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold"><a href="mailto:jmoreau@usherbrooke.ca" target="_blank">jmoreau@usherbrooke.ca</a></span></font></b><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"></span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:samvekemans@gmail.com" target="_blank">samvekemans@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:samvekemans@gmail.com" target="_blank">samvekemans@gmail.com</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Sam Vekemans<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> March 3, 2009 6:04 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Moreau,
Jean-Sébastien; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Wiki edits - Hydrography</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi thanks for all the edits :) </span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1 - I like the new table edit, where 3 lines are merges into 1 ... that
makes sence ... and saves in space making the chart smaller. ... </span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2 - I saw you indicated that more of the Features are listed in NHN
than i have indicated.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The source for my assumption that items were in geobase is from the
CanVec PDF map features cart, where it lists weather or not the item is in fact
IN geobase.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So my assumption is that the charts already were correct???</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So to elevate this quarry, i propose that a link to the
GeoBase NHN chart is made available (link to it), and in the NHN chart, these
same map features get listed.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anyway, when looking over the latest verion of canvec2osm, i see that
those items that were put in the 'geobase' folder,.. are actually very good.
IMO.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I havent yet (but i should) dig into geobase and download for myself
the NHN area of Niagra falls.. I can then make the same import script using the
shp-to-osm Java script, and add in all of the database columns, with the
appropriate source tags.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I would recommend my method, rather than using the geobase2osm script.
This is because for Hydrography, there is very little to no actual
'duplicates'. So searching the area to find any duplicates is very easy
going about it the manual way.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Also, i do have a bias about geobase2osm (that is that i do not
understand HOW to actually run the script) For me, running a java script
is simple, because Java is already installed on windows machines when your on
the net. .. perl & python is VERY confusing :-)</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">However, like NHN, the canvec2osm features DO cover a WHOLE LOT of
data.. so taking on the next phase is some extra work. ... which i think also
needs to be done.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">That said, i would propose that once im mostly done the charts and
matching up all the features which is NOT in GeoBase, that i hold off on
pushing for import. Then I can start work on the GeoBaseNHN2osm.bat
script</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Has anyone already started it?</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Oh ya, and 1 last point.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">For where it says "</span></font><span><font size="1" face="-webkit-sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:-webkit-sans-serif"><span>Is
in GeoBase – do not use - N/A in OSM" I would like to challenge each
of these statements and explain WHY.... ie. </span></span></font></span></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black">39- Manmade hydrographic entity -
(Entité hydrographique anthropique)</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Mf_node.png" title="Image:Mf_node.png" style="background-color:initial" target="_blank"><font color="#002bb8"><span style="color:#002BB8;text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/b/b5/Mf_node.png" style="border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-top-style:none;vertical-align:middle" alt="Image:Mf_node.png"></span></font></a><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Mf_way.png" title="way" style="background-color:initial" target="_blank"><font color="#002bb8"><span style="color:#002BB8;text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/6/6a/Mf_way.png" style="border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-top-style:none;vertical-align:middle" alt="way"></span></font></a> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Mf_area.png" title="area" style="background-color:initial" target="_blank"><font color="#002bb8"><span style="color:#002BB8;text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/8/83/Mf_area.png" style="border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-top-style:none;vertical-align:middle" alt="area"></span></font></a></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black">Wharf - ( Quai )</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black">A structure built along or at an angle
to the shore of navigable waters so that ships may lie alongside to receive
and discharge cargo and passengers.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black">Is in GeoBase – do not use - N/A
in OSM</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">A "warf" is certainly applicable in OSM, at some point
boaters will be able to use OSM, as they can help fix the charts and map the
oceans. ... :-) (once boaters see the awesome power of community mapping,
that is.)</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Cheers,</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Sam Vekemans</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Across Canada Trails</span></font></p>
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