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class=962545312-23032010>Hi Sam, and others!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=962545312-23032010>Sam wrote "<FONT color=#000000 size=3
face="Times New Roman">I worked on a sample here, just outside of Empress,
Alberta (in Saskatchewan) [...] So i think that waterway=tidal should be used,
with natural=water"<FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>.
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class=962545312-23032010><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>I'm pretty sure there is
no "tidal" rivers in Saskatchewan !-) <SPAN
class=962545312-23032010>The difference between tidal/intermittent is only
about water movement mechanism.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=962545312-23032010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>About the proposition, we are talking about the Canvec
feature tags conversion, aren't we? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=962545312-23032010>Actually, intermittent water in the Canvec Product only
means that water does't cover the area all the time but covers it so often
that it changes the landscape/vegetation. </SPAN><SPAN
class=962545312-23032010>The area can be covered with grass (your
example) </SPAN><SPAN class=962545312-23032010>or mud, sand, peeble, or
could even be bare rock! Converting all of them
as natural=wetland would be an error. Only local mappers can do further
tagging. The water_cover propostion describes it pretty
well. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=962545312-23032010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>About waterway=riverbank, I was on the impression it was
similar to natural=coastline - where there is no need to add natural=water
tag - right? If not, I'll made necessary
corrections.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=962545312-23032010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=962545312-23032010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Daniel</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> talk-ca-bounces@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-ca-bounces@openstreetmap.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Sam
Vekemans<BR><B>Sent:</B> 22 mars 2010 23:42<BR><B>To:</B> Talk-CA OpenStreetMap;
Daniel Begin; Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Talk-ca] Proposed features water cover / tidal /
intermittent<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi all,<BR>Im looking at the canvec feature of this (along with the
others related)<BR>
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<TD>147011* </TD>
<TD><A title=Elements#Way
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Elements#Way" target=_blank><IMG
border=0 alt=Way
src="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/6/6a/Mf_way.png" width=20
height=20 NOSEND="1"></A> </TD>
<TD>Single line watercourse </TD>
<TD>None, non isolated, intermittent </TD>
<TD>waterway=stream; water=intermittent; name=*; fixme=Feature type
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>and<BR>
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<TD>148007* </TD>
<TD><A title="Elements#Area .28closed way .29"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Elements#Area_.28closed_way_.29"
target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt=Area
src="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/8/83/Mf_area.png" width=20
height=20 NOSEND="1"></A> </TD>
<TD>Waterbody </TD>
<TD>Watercourse, isolated, intermittent </TD>
<TD>waterway=riverbank; water=intermittent, name=*
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>the proposal page is here<BR><A
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_cover"
target=_blank>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_cover</A><BR>and
the canvec feature page is here<BR><A
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Hydrography_%28HD%29"
target=_blank>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Hydrography_%28HD%29</A><BR>...<BR><BR>I
worked on a sample here, just outside of Empress, Alberta (in Saskatchewan) I
just guessed on the landuse=meadow; natural=grass (someone local can fix it) ..
with photos.<BR>But for the riverbank etc.<BR><A
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-109.9555934&minlat=50.9222072&maxlon=-109.9224953&maxlat=50.9461371&box=yes"
target=_blank>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-109.9555934&minlat=50.9222072&maxlon=-109.9224953&maxlat=50.9461371&box=yes</A><BR><BR>natural=water
(is standard to vaguely describe some type of water)<BR>unfortunately we dont
use natural=water;water=lake, but we DO use natural=wetland ( with wetland=marsh
for non-flowing water)<BR>but water=river isn't used. nor is
natural=river used. yet waterway=stream is used. <BR>So
i think that waterway=tidal should be used, with natural=water.<BR><BR><BR>So
for the main river parts (the main waterflow area), i propose<BR>natural=water;
waterway=riverbank; name=*; source=*; attribution=* (if needed)<BR><BR>then for
the river banks (the sides where after a rainfall it's not distinguishable, but
in a drout it's a sand area & if left longer plan-life would
grow. So the water level is 'intermittent'. Hence the original
value of water=intermittent, so i propose<BR>natural=wetland;
name*; source=*; attribution=*(if needed)<BR> <BR>As tagging it was
"natural=wetland" where the polygon is directly inside the "waterway=riverbank"
... makes this wetland flooded. So i think it makes sence.<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/53097360">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/53097360</A><BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Sam<BR><BR
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