I'd come across Thomas before and seen what he was doing. I agree there were a few interesting people there who had some in depth knowledge of the subject but the issue I was trying to raise within OpenStreetMap was that OSM doesn't appear to have the same mash up capabilities.<br>
<br><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Gregory</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:nomoregrapes@googlemail.com">nomoregrapes@googlemail.com</a>> comments below sum up the challenge on the OpenStreetMap side to make it easier to do this sort of thing.</span></span><br>
<br>@@@@@<br><br><div>It's easier/cleaner to do 'mashups' with the Google API. With the
options from OpenStreetMap you need to be brave looking at javascript,
but it can be just as quick to do. There are some helpful examples of
using OpenLayers(powers the 'slippy map' on <a href="http://osm.org/" target="_blank">osm.org</a>) at <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openlayers" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openlayers</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>I
believe someone is working on making it easier to do lots of drawing
functions over the map, like you can with Google. They are doing it as a
Google Summer of Code project, but I'd wait and see what actually comes
out of it at the end of the summer.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Some people use the Google API(I've never looked at
it myself) and you can display OSM maps instead of the Google maps (it
still has the powered by Google logo, but displays an OSM copyright
message instead of TeleAtlas/NavTeq). I think this is usually for people
that have built a webpage/site and later decide to use OSM without
rewriting their displaying code. The page for that is here <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Maps_Example" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Maps_Example</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Note, I'm not on the Newbies list, so
my message will have to be approved or if it is helpful someone can
forward it over.<br><br>@@@@<br><br>To me a separate issue are the concerns about getting a better foundation on the Open Data Side. The comment about Macs was more that they tend to be used by people with an Arts background who are sensitive to presentation. To make this stuff work you need both presentation and the technical side. For example it is a lot easier to do a selection on multiple criteria if they are all in the same database. OSM has the tags so finding a playground with a drinking fountain that is within 30 meters of a coffee shop has three criteria all the information should be accessible via OSM tags. To build this sort of query from three or more separate data sources is much more complex.<br>
<br>We can't do it easily today but using a local OSM store and something like<font size="2"><span id=":xz" class="hP"> Maperitive it should be possible to do it with local processing so no Internet access required at the point of query.<br>
<br>I also have some reservations about using OSM for Ottawa City stuff. They have a lot of GIS information that would work better together internally if it could be consolidated. For example Travel Planner doesn't appear to know about footpaths but most people walk to their bus stop. I'd prefer to see the city host an OSM format server which would allow it to retain control over the road network etc and ensure people couldn't decide to remove a road. For non Canadians practically all federal government GIS information is available for us to import, which is quite different than the case in Europe.<br>
<br>Cheerio John<br></span></font></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 25 April 2010 11:52, John Gill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swfiua@gmail.com">swfiua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I was there too. There were several laptops running Ubuntu, as well as the plethora of macs.<div><br></div><div>There was one guy working on openstreetmap, he has created this rather neat site + I spent some time chatting to him:</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://opendatamap.ca/" target="_blank">http://opendatamap.ca/</a></div><div><br></div><div>More information on the project is here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://opendataapps.org/apps/5-open-data-ottawa-points-of-interest" target="_blank">http://opendataapps.org/apps/5-open-data-ottawa-points-of-interest</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>John<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 7:44 PM, john whelan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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They had a meeting in our city hall today. What they appear to be doing is taking a list of locations in a spreadsheet format such as drinking fountains then overlaying them on top of Google maps using an icon. Moderately lightweight stuff that needs little understanding of the data but can be done rapidly.<br>
<br>For example one "application" was playing back the buses passing a bus stop, the application used the data file speeded up and went ping or beep and to play a small tune.<br><br>The reason I've posted in both CA and Newbies is we don't appear to have the same capabilities in OpenStreetMap unless I'm missing something and their applications use Google Map as a background image and sticks the icons in on top. Anyone have any knowledge of what they are doing or how they are doing it?<br>
<br>I did notice that 9 out of 10 computers were mac notebooks of one type or another so we probably aren't talking terribly technical stuff here, but if it could be done using OpenStreetMap as a basis that might be worth following up as they do seem to be good at hype.<br>
<br>Thoughts?<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Cheerio John<br><br><br>
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