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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I've tried to "put my boots on the ground" without going
there !-). I found a pretty clear satellite image of the river at its max
level (30-31m) - which doesn't really changed since ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=50577<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I made few geometric adjustments to the image and compare the
result with 30m GeoBase and SRTM contours. Geobase contours gives better
results between St-Jean and L'Île aux Noix but from there to the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> boundary, neither
GeoBase nor SRTM is right.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I'm trying to produce a flooded area from DEM data while I'm
looking at an image that contains what I'm looking for - the flooded area! Why
not mapping from it? I understand the image can be used - http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ImageUse/<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Any idea on how I can use this GeoTiff image in JOSM?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:windowtext'> Daniel Begin [mailto:jfd553@hotmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> May-27-11 15:18<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Brent Fraser'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'HOT Openstreetmap'; 'talk-ca'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Talk-ca] [HOT]
Flooding in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Richelieu River</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Quebec</st1:State>,<st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place>
:Follow-up(Complement of information)</span></font><font color=black><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bonjour Brent,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Which one is better in this situation, SRTM or GeoBase? I
would prefer SRTM for the following reasons...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>SRTM has 90m cell size but the data in each cell are "real
elevation" - including roof tops and crop height !, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Geobase has 30m cell size but the data in each cell is an
interpolation between adjacent contour interval from 50K map.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>So, in flat/low hills areas, SRTM will give a much better idea of
the height than Geobase. For example, a 8m hill, standing between elevation 31m
and 39m won't be visible in Geobase data. Same reasoning for a steep cliff, and
so on...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Furthermore, I suspect that using the 30m contour from SRTM might
be valid for St-Jean-Sur-Richelieu area but the 31m should probably be
used near <st1:place w:st="on">Lake Champlain</st1:place>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>In this case I would quote James Ewen, You need to "Put your
boots on the ground" to decide which one is valid !-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I'm also looking at converting this into .gpx format as proposed
Richard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:windowtext'> Brent Fraser [mailto:bfraser@geoanalytic.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> May-27-11 14:19<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Daniel Begin<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'Pierre Béland'; 'HOT
Openstreetmap'; 'talk-ca'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Talk-ca] [HOT]
Flooding in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Richelieu River</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Quebec</st1:State>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place>
:Follow-up(Complement of information)</span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Daniel,<br>
<br>
The SRTM data has 90m cell size, while the CDED (from the Geobase site)
has 30m cells (and 1m height resolution) which might rendered better contours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Brent Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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On 5/27/2011 11:52 AM, Daniel Begin wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:navy'><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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</xml><![endif]-->Bonjour tous le monde,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I have generated a 30m and 31m contour lines for <st1:place w:st="on">Richelieu</st1:place>
river and lake Champlain (using SRTM data). It fits the 30m contour provided by
Jean-Guilhem but doesn't seem to fit pretty well the flooded wetland area
provided by <st1:city u4:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Pierre</st1:city></st1:City></st1:place>.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Any idea if this data can be used (usgs licence point of view)?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>And if it can be usefull?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Daniel<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Pierre Béland [<a
href="mailto:infosbelas-gps@yahoo.fr">mailto:infosbelas-gps@yahoo.fr</a>] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> May-27-11 12:40<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> HOT Openstreetmap<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> talk-ca<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [HOT] [Talk-ca]
Flooding in <st1:city u4:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Richelieu
River</st1:city></st1:City>, <st1:state u4:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Quebec</st1:state></st1:State>,<st1:country-region
u4_x003a_st="on" w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place>
:Follow-up(Complement of information)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Jean-Guilhem
Cailton wrote on 2011-05-27<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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> According to the shapefile data, <st1:place w:st="on">Lake Champlain</st1:place>,
and hence Venise-en-Québec are above the 30 m elevation.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>> The
shapefile contains punctual elevations of 31 m in this area (Plage Missisquoi,
for example).<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>> The
next contour line would be the 40 m one, but it does not look like it would be
very useful for this.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>This
is exact. The 40 meter contour line is not usefull for us.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Thanks
Jean-Guilhem.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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