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I have been finding many of these here in south central BC and have been leaving them of course, but consistently find that they are very highly over digitized. I have been simplifying their boundaries in JOSM and and find that I can easily get a 20 or 30-fold reduction in nodes without changing the boundaries. Seems like a reasonable first step to take.<BR>
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<B>From</B>: john whelan <<A HREF="mailto:john%20whelan%20%3cjwhelan0112@gmail.com%3e">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</A>><BR>
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<B>Subject</B>: [Talk-ca] Proposal: Removing imported aboriginal land<BR>
<B>Date</B>: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:09:10 -0400<BR>
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<FONT SIZE="2">First nations is fun. Treaties were negotiated with England, Queen Victoria I think it was, at a nation to nation basis, in recognition of the assistance that the natives had given the British. Canada is the only country in the commonwealth were such treaties were made. Everywhere else the English simply proclaimed themselves as owning everything.</FONT><BR>
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<FONT SIZE="2">></FONT>They are tagged with admin_level=4, the same as provinces, which misrepresents their importance.<BR>
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An interesting observation. Are you saying that a province rates above a nation or below it?<BR>
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Viewable to Z4, - this is more a rendering issue than anything else. <BR>
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No one has edited them to improve them. - We could throw out quite a bit of OSM based on that. My take would be given we don't have as many mappers on the ground as we would like and some one may find this information to be of value so leave it in the map until it fades away because of the CT tags. You never know some one might take an interest in it and update it, currently it would seem to be the best information available.<BR>
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<FONT SIZE="2">Cheerio John</FONT><BR>
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On 27 October 2011 17:39, Paul Norman <<A HREF="mailto:penorman@mac.com">penorman@mac.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
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In 2010 acrosscanadatrails imported Aboriginal reserves. An example is <A HREF="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1016901">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1016901</A><BR>
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These are viewable all the way out to z4.<BR>
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I propose removing these for a few reasons.<BR>
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1. From what I’ve seen, no one has edited these to improve them.<BR>
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2. Acrosscanadatrails has not agreed to the CTs. He has indicated his contributions are public domain, so the data could be downloaded and reimported, but I do not believe that should be done.<BR>
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3. The tagging is questionable, with two FIXMEs. They are tagged with admin_level=4, the same as provinces, which misrepresents their importance.<BR>
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4. The tagging for aboriginal lands is not settled. See <A HREF="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:boundary#First_Nations">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:boundary#First_Nations</A> for some discussion. Although this shouldn’t stop people from mapping them, I believe it should stop them from being imported.<BR>
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