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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=FR-CA
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=FR-CA
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question les "détails inhabituels" dont nous nous étions parlés à
l'époque.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=FR-CA
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Je remet en question la
façon d'attribuer la relation avec des tags qui sont spécifiques aux objets au
sol. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I understand that you deliberately kept
ways duplicated to insure an appropriate rendering? Afaik, "tagging for
the renderer" is frowned upon as James wrote. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also understand from OSM best practices (confirmed
by Richard), that treating the trail/route as distinct from the road where it
shares the road is usually incorrect (as shown the link to Streetview provided
by James).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Si je respecte le consensus
de la communauté dans le domaine, je comprend que tu risques de perdre ton
rendu. Y a-t-il une façon pour toi de conserver ton rendu tout en respectant le
consensus de la communauté?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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infosbelas-gps@yahoo.fr [mailto:infosbelas-gps@yahoo.fr] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> February-26-12 14:25<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Talk-ca] Re : Duplicated
ways</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-weight:bold'>Daniel, <br>
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Si tu te rappelles bien, nous avons échangé à plusieurs reprises toi et moi en
2010 lorsque j'ai complété le tracé du Sentier de L'Estrie de près de 180km
dont tu avais préalablement tracé certaines portions. Tu avais alors indiqué
ton désaccord à indiquer les bornes kilométriques et auttres repères du
sentier de randonné. J'ai aussi examiné ce qui se faisait à l'époque et fait
des propositions sur la page wiki de Randonnée pédestre au Québec que j'ai
alors créée. Je n'ai cependant jamais eu de feedback depuis. Peu de
collaborateurs du Québec interviennent sur cette page de discussion. J'invite
donc ceux qui hésitent à intervenir et à y discuter en français s'ils se
sentent ainsi plus à l'aise. <br>
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Qu%C3%A9bec/Randonn%C3%A9e_P%C3%A9destre<br>
<br>
Je m'oppose évidemment à ce que tu effaces ces informations. Ceci aurait pour
effet de faire disparaitre complètement le sentier de randonnée des cartes.
Avant de modifier quoi que ce soit, il serait opportun de proposer des
solutions concrètes. La discussion est ouverte depuis 2010. Il faut proposer
autre chose que d'effacer les infos du sentier de randonnée.<br>
<br>
Ton message soulève deux questions.<br>
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La première est relative à la descriptions de deux activités différentes sur un
même segment. Si ces activités sont indiquées sur le mêmc chemin, les moteurs
de rendu accorderont la priorité à une des deux activités. Et à ma
connaissance, c'est le vélo qui sera priorisé, et on ne verra rien du sentier
de randonnée. Comment régler ce problème? Le parc Orford est un autre endroit
où pistes cyclables et pistes de randonnée se partagent une certaine portion de
sentier. voir
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.35107&lon=-72.22763&zoom=15&layers=C<br>
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La deuxième est relative à ton interrogation sur les "détails
inhabituels". Je suppose donc que tu veux rediscuter du fait d'ajouter des
bornes kilométriques, repères d'intersection de sentier et points de vue. Ces
informations sont importantes pour le suivi sur GPS. Sur mon GPS, les bornes
kilométriques et les divers repères me permettent de me situer rapidement, à
tout moment sur le sentier. Y-aurait-il une façon de conserver cette
information pour les GPS et mettre moins d'information sur les cartes? <br>
<i><span style='font-style:italic'><br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Pierre</st1:place></st1:City></span></i><br>
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De :</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Daniel Begin <<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">jfd553</st1:PersonName>@hotmail.com><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>À :</span></b> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 26 février
2012 12h28<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Objet :</span></b> [Talk-ca] Duplicated
ways</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I'm
cleaning up my area for relicensing problems and I have found duplicated ways
that raise some questions - not related to relicensing problems. </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>One is
a bicycle track/route I created few years ago, the other is a hiking
trail/route imported later. Both merge near the "Chemin Keenan"
bridge and share the same tracks/roads for 3 km. The hiking trail was drawn few
meters offset even if it was not physically separated on the field.</span></font><font
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.62953&lon=-72.1247&zoom=16&layers=M</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I was
about to remove the hiking trail ways and transfer the relation=route to the
existing tracks/roads when I saw the unusual number of tags attached to it. The
problem is that some of them are referring to the entire hiking trail (name,
operator, ...) while others are specific to ways used (access, highway,
surface, ...) .</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>access=permit,
highway=trail, surface=dirt</span></font><font color=black><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>While
some shared segments have the following tags...</span></font><font color=black><span
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>highway=tertiary,
surface=paved, and there is no access restriction.</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Best
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