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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="422584217-19032012">Bonjour,</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="422584217-19032012">I'm working on the Canvec.osm - release 10 - conversion process and I'd like to double check an answer I got from Paul concerning administrative boundaries.</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="422584217-19032012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Release 10 will contain up to three administrative boundary types where available ...</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="422584217-19032012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">- Regional</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="422584217-19032012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">- Upper Municipality</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="422584217-19032012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">- Municipality</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="422584217-19032012">The Osm admin_level tag usually correspond to the gdf_level ISO standard .</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="422584217-19032012">In GeoBase product, the value of these boundaries were identified as gdf_level 6,7 and 8 respectively.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="422584217-19032012">In Openstreetmap wiki, the admin_level were set to 5,6 and 8 respectively.</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="422584217-19032012">Is the difference between both are caused by a problem with the wiki or a consensus on the community?
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="422584217-19032012">If it is a documented consensus, I'll keep the values of the wiki. If not, I'll use the the values from GeoBase.</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Paul Norman [mailto:penorman@mac.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> February 14, 2012 15:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Bégin, Daniel; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Talk-ca] Administrative Boundary<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The levels in your initial email<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> Available administrative boundary will be included in the next release of Canvec.osm. From the wiki, here is the tagging values I'm going to use…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> Municipal Regional: boundary=administrative; admin_level=5
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> Upper municipality: boundary=administrative; admin_level=6
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> Municipality: boundary=administrative; admin_level=8<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Bégin, Daniel [mailto:Daniel.Begin@RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Norman; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Talk-ca] Administrative Boundary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Paul,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">are you saying that I should use ...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">ISO value for admin_level (6 & 7 - actually what is used in the GeoBase product), or</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">what is identified in the wiki (5 & 6)
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level</a></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Question mark!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Paul Norman
<a href="mailto:[mailto:penorman@mac.com]">[mailto:penorman@mac.com]</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> February 14, 2012 14:57<br>
<b>To:</b> Bégin, Daniel; <a href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Talk-ca] Administrative Boundary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From the wiki, those look consistent with what I’ve seen locally, although naturally I can’t comment about Quebec.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Bégin, Daniel
<a href="mailto:[mailto:Daniel.Begin@RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca]">[mailto:Daniel.Begin@RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca]</a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 13, 2012 5:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Norman; <a href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Talk-ca] Administrative Boundary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bonjour Norman,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">ISO Level 7 (Upper municipality)</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Courier; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">refers to an administrative area like the County of Peterborough (ON), while the ISO Level 6 (Municipal Regional)</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Courier; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">refers to an administrative area like Eastern Townships in Québec (a group of county - a level that exist only in Québec)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Paul Norman
<a href="mailto:[mailto:penorman@mac.com]">[mailto:penorman@mac.com]</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> February 9, 2012 17:15<br>
<b>To:</b> Bégin, Daniel; <a href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Talk-ca] Administrative Boundary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Can you give an example of a municipal regional or upper municipality? Looking at the global usage, admin_level=5 is seldom used. I would think that Municipal
Regional would be 6 and upper municipality would be 7, but I can’t really say without examples.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I would also suggest that these features in the .osm file not be closed – just have the boundary, don’t handle it like lakes where you have multiple areas
you need to join where they cross tile bounds.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Bégin, Daniel
<a href="mailto:[mailto:Daniel.Begin@RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca]">[mailto:Daniel.Begin@RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca]</a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Talk-ca] Administrative Boundary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bonjour again!</span>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Available administrative boundary will be included in the next release of Canvec.osm. From the wiki, here is the tagging values I'm going to use…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Courier; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Municipal Regional: boundary=administrative; admin_level=5</span>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Courier; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Upper municipality: boundary=administrative; admin_level=6</span>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Courier; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Municipality: boundary=administrative; admin_level=8</span>
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<p><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level</span></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> (Canada)</span>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Municipality admin_level=8 corresponds to gdf order in ISO standard.</span>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Municipal Regional Area and Upper Municipality (admin_level=5 and 6) are different from what the ISO standard says (gdf order=6 and 7). Is someone can confirm that admin_level=5 and 6 is really
what is expected?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks again</span>
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<p><b><i><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Daniel Bégin</span></i></b>
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<i><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-CA">Centre d'information topographique de Sherbrooke</span></i>
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<i><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-CA">Topographic Information Center of Sherbrooke</span></i><span lang="FR-CA"><br>
</span><i><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-CA">Ressources Naturelles Canada / Natural Ressources Canada</span></i><span lang="FR-CA"><br>
</span><i><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-CA">2144, rue King Ouest, bureau 010</span></i><span lang="FR-CA"><br>
</span><i><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-CA">Sherbrooke (Québec) J1J 2E8</span></i><span lang="FR-CA"><br>
</span><i><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-CA">(819) 564-5600 ext.242,
<a href="mailto:dbegin@NRCan.gc.ca">dbegin@NRCan.gc.ca</a></span></i><i><span lang="EN-CA">
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