<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Mike,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div>Waterloo license is based UK Government's Open Government Licence and is considered as a true OpenData license. It is not the case for all canadian cities and governments. For my city, Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, the data is available but the license is to restrictive. I will have to negociate with the city before using it.<br><br>Talking of quality, I was thinking about the coordinates precision wich may be, for some databases, very approximative depending on the method used. It is best evaluating before we use these.<br><br>Buses routes essentially consist of ways describing the route and nodes describing the stops. The tags may
describes specific platforms or route. In the relation, it is also important to indicate the role for ways and nodes.<br><br>wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses describes the node tags and relations. As it is said, we have a relation for one direction only.<br>wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route provides also valuable information.<br><br>For each city, it also links to a wiki page describing this city route relations. There are numerous examples that help to understand the process. I suggest you should add your city when the work is finished.<br><br>There are various ways to document. A nice example is city of Toulouse in France were routes are grouped by various type (ie. metro, bus, etc.).<br>see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toulouse/Transports_publics<br><br> <div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br></span><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16,
16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Mike Boos <mike.boos@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Pierre Béland <infosbelas-gps@yahoo.fr> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com>; "talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Jeudi 15 novembre 2012 13h24<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa<br> </font> </div> <br><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div
id="yiv1505595790">Hi<div><br></div><div>I was actually thinking of something similar for the Region of Waterloo, for both the routes and bus stop data, which is available under an Open Data License (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/regionalGovernment/OpenDataLicence.asp">http://www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/regionalGovernment/OpenDataLicence.asp</a>) I am exploring the use of a tool called GO-sync for converting the data. I've heard that the shape data RoW provides may not be of great quality, so I suspect it might take me some time to do this properly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Mike<br><br><div class="yiv1505595790gmail_quote">On 15 November 2012 13:03, Pierre Béland <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:infosbelas-gps@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:infosbelas-gps@yahoo.fr">infosbelas-gps@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv1505595790gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Tom <br><br>this Ottawa license seems compatible with ODbl. Then, I think that the data can be imported. You can add to the relation the tag source=City of Ottawa.<br>
<br><div><span>I have not done any yet, but it does not seem to complicate. Wiki pages should give godd information. Also, looking at some Bus relations should help to understand the content.</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">
<span><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span> In the relation, you enter nodes for every stop. From discussions I have seen elsewhere, I think that It is important to control the quality of
such data before you import.<br></span></div><div> </div><div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br></span><br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;">
<div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Tom Taylor <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com">tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Jeudi 15 novembre 2012 12h46<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet :</span></b> [Talk-ca] Bus maps for Ottawa<br> </font> </div><div><div class="yiv1505595790h5"> <br>I was looking at Helsinki for solutions to a lane mapping problem (how
to map left turn lanes), and noticed they have bus routes specified as relations on the road segments. This put me in mind of Ottawa. My first thought was to check on copyright issues. I learned that Ottawa has an open data policy (catalogue at <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ottawa.ca/en/city_hall/statisticsdata/opendata/info/index.htm">http://www.ottawa.ca/en/city_hall/statisticsdata/opendata/info/index.htm</a>). Talk about an embarrassment of riches! Now I just have to put the tools together to do bulk mapping to OSM.<br>
<br>Or has someone already tackled this?<br><br>Tom Taylor<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-ca mailing list<br><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
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